[General] Open Source maturity

Sat Jun 27 19:40:04 +03 2009

Thanks Burhan for the book, I wrote the book name. Again the book title 
doesn't really help people like me to select a book randomly and read 
about Open Source.

Its already there:
http://oskw.org/pipermail/general_oskw.org/attachments/20090627/1c374dfa/attachment-0001.pdf
http://oskw.org/pipermail/general_oskw.org/attachments/20090627/1c374dfa/attachment-0001.ppt

regards,

Burhan Khalid wrote:
> Why, why, must we start Microsoft bashing whenever a mature discussion
> on open source starts?
>
> "
>   
>> Microsoft has been doing open source projects (on a very light side)
>> for quite some time, but their projects are negligible, they use their
>> own license, and their own portal, instead of using an existing Open
>> Source license and SourceForge.net. (Reminds you of OOXML, no? ;p)
>>     
> "
>
> What does using their own portal have to do anything with open source? By your
> logic, freshmeat.net is also "negligible", so is collabnet and tigris.org?
>
> Codeplex ( http://www.codeplex.com/ ) is Microsoft's initiative to provide
> a community for .NET programmers that are developing open source code;
> why is it such a bad thing?
>
> "They use their own license [...] instead of using an existing Open
> Source license":
>
> From the Codeplex FAQ:
>
> What licenses does CodePlex support?
> Project coordinators can select from a list of the following OSI
> licenses: Apache License 2.0, Common Development and Distribution
> License (CDDL), Eclipse Public License (EPL), GNU General Public
> License (GPL) v2, GNU Library General Public License (LGPL), Microsoft
> Public License (Ms-PL), Microsoft Reciprocal License (Ms-RL), Mozilla
> Public License 1.1 (MPL), New BSD License, and The MIT License. If
> your project requires a license that is not on the list, you can
> request a custom license using the contact us form.
>
> Please, lets keep the discussion free of FUD[1]; as we already have
> tons of people around to spread that. This will increase the quality
> of our discussion and also help those that are unfamiliar or new to
> the topic understand FACTUAL information rather than rumors and
> propaganda.
>
> Talal:
>
>   You cannot do justice to Open Source without reading 'The Cathedral
> and the Bazaar' by Eric S. Raymond, ISBN: 0596001088 - this is perhaps
> the first book that truly ignited the mainstream open source
> "revolution". It was published I believe first in 1999 or 2000 -- to
> give you an idea of the significance of the book.
>
>   Your presentation and PDF were stripped from the list, so please
> upload somewhere and provide a link.
>
> Thanks,
> --
> Burhan Khalid
>
> 1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_uncertainty_and_doubt
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 9:58 AM, Majed B.<majedb at gmail.com> wrote:
>   
>> Hello Talal!
>>
>> I have just finished reading the book: Just for Fun: The Story of an
>> Accidental Revolutionary
>> Link: http://www.amazon.com/Just-Fun-Story-Accidental-Revolutionary/dp/0066620732/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1246085493&sr=8-1
>>
>> The book is by Linus Torvalds and David Diamond and it tells you how
>> Linux started, how Open Source started, its meaning, goals and some
>> points of Open Source vs. Copyright/Closed Source approaches.
>>
>> The book is FUN, as it says, and funny at times. I finished it in less
>> than a week with a few hours of reading a day. It's not like you can
>> drop the book once starting, but sometimes you're compelled :p
>>
>> Microsoft has been doing open source projects (on a very light side)
>> for quite some time, but their projects are negligible, they use their
>> own license, and their own portal, instead of using an existing Open
>> Source license and SourceForge.net. (Reminds you of OOXML, no? ;p)
>>
>> As long as Microsoft's management is the same old blood, nothing will
>> change. Will keep releasing alpha binaries as initial releases,
>> release new OS versions where they should be service packs, frustrate
>> users with ever changing User Interface (UI) and Steve Ballmer will
>> keep throwing chairs...
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 2:08 AM, Talal Al Awadhi<talal at alawadhi.com> wrote:
>>     
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I have been thinking in the past 2 days, 4 hours in a day minimum, about
>>> Open Source as a term.
>>>
>>> So, I decided to google Open Source 30 minutes back, I wanted to read more
>>> about how it started. And how this "Concept" has grown lately solidly &
>>> successfully, but slowly, which also made the growth solid on a concrete
>>> foundation.
>>>
>>> Some has started commercializing the Open Source driven products in
>>> different techniques (Red Hat, MySQL, Scalix, vBulletin, SugarCRM), and some
>>> started converting closed source projects to Open Source (Symbian by NOKIA).
>>>
>>> Figures, either by adoption, or financial results proves the success that
>>> Open Source is giving looks amazing. Looking at the android pre-release
>>> acceptance for this mobile OS, driven by the Open Source Phenomena, proves
>>> that the wave of Open Source is coming no matter what happens or other huge
>>> players act or improve in their closed source projects and softwares.
>>>
>>> I expect personally, that Microsoft gets into the wave very soon (Forced for
>>> sure to keep its leading position in the software market) either wise it
>>> will lose its leading position to other software vendors who can understand
>>> & develop an innovative way of producing a competing money making softwares
>>> for public under the Open Source umbrella.
>>>
>>> Coming back to the beginning, I believe that till today, you can't relay on
>>> a book to get accurate information or a right understanding on what Open
>>> Source is, how it started, and how to commercialize Open Source in an
>>> ethical way, or lets say "The right way of doing it", or the right way to
>>> explain it to people who doesn't understand Open Source. Below some examples
>>> on books on Open Source:
>>> Producing Open Source Software by Karl Fogel
>>> The Success of Open Source by Steven Weber
>>> The Open Source Alternative by Heather J. Meeker
>>> Open Sources 2.0 by Chris DiBona, Mark Stone, and Danese Cooper
>>>
>>> I highly believe that many conflicting information are there in these books,
>>> even though they share and support Open Source. But I was not able to get a
>>> concrete information about it. And thats healthy and normal, its just a new
>>> thing growing world wide, and these great people are trying to document what
>>> ever they know about it.
>>>
>>> Here is an attached PowerPoint slides (and a PDF copy of it for Linux people
>>> here), that summarize Open Source and how it started.
>>>
>>> I would appreciate to see some corrections on what is written there, to help
>>> me and anyone Interested on understanding Open Source history, to be able to
>>> forecast how fast it can go forward, and to help also in convincing more
>>> people by explaining it in a right way as open source deserves to be
>>> explained.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Talal AlAwadhi
>>>
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>>>       
>>
>> --
>>       Majed B.
>>
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