From majedb at gmail.com  Wed Jul  1 00:16:04 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 00:16:04 +0300
Subject: [General]
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KUniv? Which college Ahmad?

Electrical Engineering dept. do have a bunch of old Dell machines with
Red Hat 8 or 9 on them and they only use them for H-Spice simulator.

The Sun lab in 4Kh was barely used. Some students are forced to use it
for courses that require coding on a *nix environment. Solaris on
these machine is ANCIENT!

I installed a couple of Linux flavors on some lab PCs back in 2005 or
2004, with the permission of the CpE dept., but they put Windows back
a year later.

2009/6/30 Ahmad Al-Ibrahim <ahmad at koutbo6.com>:
> We already have Sun lab and Linux lab in KUNIV :)
>
> Bashar Al-Abdulhadi wrote:
>> http://www.arabnet5.com/news.asp?c=2&id=27199
>>
>>
>> ????? ???????? ??????? !
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From ahmad at koutbo6.com  Wed Jul  1 00:24:13 2009
From: ahmad at koutbo6.com (Ahmad Al-Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 00:24:13 +0300
Subject: [General]
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College of Science

Majed B. wrote:
> KUniv? Which college Ahmad?
> 
> Electrical Engineering dept. do have a bunch of old Dell machines with
> Red Hat 8 or 9 on them and they only use them for H-Spice simulator.
> 
> The Sun lab in 4Kh was barely used. Some students are forced to use it
> for courses that require coding on a *nix environment. Solaris on
> these machine is ANCIENT!
> 
> I installed a couple of Linux flavors on some lab PCs back in 2005 or
> 2004, with the permission of the CpE dept., but they put Windows back
> a year later.
> 
> 2009/6/30 Ahmad Al-Ibrahim <ahmad at koutbo6.com>:
>> We already have Sun lab and Linux lab in KUNIV :)
>>
>> Bashar Al-Abdulhadi wrote:
>>> http://www.arabnet5.com/news.asp?c=2&id=27199
>>>
>>>
>>> ????? ???????? ??????? !
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> General mailing list
>>> General at oskw.org
>>> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
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>> General at oskw.org
>> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
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> 
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From majedb at gmail.com  Wed Jul  1 00:39:09 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 00:39:09 +0300
Subject: [General]
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Interesting! I never knew that had Linux deployed there. Which flavor & version?

2009/7/1 Ahmad Al-Ibrahim <ahmad at koutbo6.com>:
> College of Science
>
> Majed B. wrote:
>> KUniv? Which college Ahmad?
>>
>> Electrical Engineering dept. do have a bunch of old Dell machines with
>> Red Hat 8 or 9 on them and they only use them for H-Spice simulator.
>>
>> The Sun lab in 4Kh was barely used. Some students are forced to use it
>> for courses that require coding on a *nix environment. Solaris on
>> these machine is ANCIENT!
>>
>> I installed a couple of Linux flavors on some lab PCs back in 2005 or
>> 2004, with the permission of the CpE dept., but they put Windows back
>> a year later.
>>
>> 2009/6/30 Ahmad Al-Ibrahim <ahmad at koutbo6.com>:
>>> We already have Sun lab and Linux lab in KUNIV :)
>>>
>>> Bashar Al-Abdulhadi wrote:
>>>> http://www.arabnet5.com/news.asp?c=2&id=27199
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ????? ???????? ??????? !
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> General mailing list
>>>> General at oskw.org
>>>> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> General mailing list
>>> General at oskw.org
>>> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
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       Majed B.



From ahmad at koutbo6.com  Wed Jul  1 00:45:04 2009
From: ahmad at koutbo6.com (Ahmad Al-Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 00:45:04 +0300
Subject: [General]
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I think it was Red Hat 9, last time I checked was in 2003. Not sure
about Solaris but it was old at that time.

Majed B. wrote:
> Interesting! I never knew that had Linux deployed there. Which flavor & version?
> 
> 2009/7/1 Ahmad Al-Ibrahim <ahmad at koutbo6.com>:
>> College of Science
>>
>> Majed B. wrote:
>>> KUniv? Which college Ahmad?
>>>
>>> Electrical Engineering dept. do have a bunch of old Dell machines with
>>> Red Hat 8 or 9 on them and they only use them for H-Spice simulator.
>>>
>>> The Sun lab in 4Kh was barely used. Some students are forced to use it
>>> for courses that require coding on a *nix environment. Solaris on
>>> these machine is ANCIENT!
>>>
>>> I installed a couple of Linux flavors on some lab PCs back in 2005 or
>>> 2004, with the permission of the CpE dept., but they put Windows back
>>> a year later.
>>>
>>> 2009/6/30 Ahmad Al-Ibrahim <ahmad at koutbo6.com>:
>>>> We already have Sun lab and Linux lab in KUNIV :)
>>>>
>>>> Bashar Al-Abdulhadi wrote:
>>>>> http://www.arabnet5.com/news.asp?c=2&id=27199
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ????? ???????? ??????? !
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> General mailing list
>>>>> General at oskw.org
>>>>> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> General mailing list
>>>> General at oskw.org
>>>> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
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>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> General mailing list
>> General at oskw.org
>> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>>
> 
> 
> 



From saleh_rambo at hotmail.com  Wed Jul  1 02:44:43 2009
From: saleh_rambo at hotmail.com (Saleh Al-Saffar)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 23:44:43 +0000
Subject: [General]
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We had 2 Solaris/Sun labs in Computer Engineering in KUNIV. Like 6 month ago they removed it and installed Windows ONLY PCs!!

Now there are only few Solaris computers left in 4kh building.

I don't recall I've seen Linux installed computers.
 
> Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 00:45:04 +0300
> From: ahmad at koutbo6.com
> To: general at oskw.org
> Subject: Re: [General] ???????? ?? STS? ????? ??????? ?????? ???? ???? ?????? Sun Microsystems
> 
> I think it was Red Hat 9, last time I checked was in 2003. Not sure
> about Solaris but it was old at that time.
> 
> Majed B. wrote:
> > Interesting! I never knew that had Linux deployed there. Which flavor & version?
> > 
> > 2009/7/1 Ahmad Al-Ibrahim <ahmad at koutbo6.com>:
> >> College of Science
> >>
> >> Majed B. wrote:
> >>> KUniv? Which college Ahmad?
> >>>
> >>> Electrical Engineering dept. do have a bunch of old Dell machines with
> >>> Red Hat 8 or 9 on them and they only use them for H-Spice simulator.
> >>>
> >>> The Sun lab in 4Kh was barely used. Some students are forced to use it
> >>> for courses that require coding on a *nix environment. Solaris on
> >>> these machine is ANCIENT!
> >>>
> >>> I installed a couple of Linux flavors on some lab PCs back in 2005 or
> >>> 2004, with the permission of the CpE dept., but they put Windows back
> >>> a year later.
> >>>
> >>> 2009/6/30 Ahmad Al-Ibrahim <ahmad at koutbo6.com>:
> >>>> We already have Sun lab and Linux lab in KUNIV :)
> >>>>
> >>>> Bashar Al-Abdulhadi wrote:
> >>>>> http://www.arabnet5.com/news.asp?c=2&id=27199
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ????? ???????? ??????? !
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>> General mailing list
> >>>>> General at oskw.org
> >>>>> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> General mailing list
> >>>> General at oskw.org
> >>>> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
> >>>>
> >>>
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> >> _______________________________________________
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> > 
> > 
> > 
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From kuwait at q8net.com  Fri Jul  3 02:39:39 2009
From: kuwait at q8net.com (kuwait at q8net.com)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:39:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [General] Arabic Unix Shell
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Message-ID: <845980.56571.qm@web76111.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>

Salam everyone,

I know it sounds strange but anyone knows a project dealing with a unix shell based on arabic fonts or any bidi chars? or maybe some college project concerning a basic Unix environment (old Minix?) based on arabic language?

My best regards.

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From bashar at kuwaitnet.net  Fri Jul  3 03:16:51 2009
From: bashar at kuwaitnet.net (Bashar Al-Abdulhadi)
Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 03:16:51 +0300
Subject: [General] Drive Me Insane! (Home Automation devices)
Message-ID: <4A4D4DF3.10006@kuwaitnet.net>

when people are FREE they do things like this:
http://www.drivemeinsane.com/

the concept is nice that you can control your house lights remotely! but 
this guy took it to the next level to let  online guests control lights, 
music and other stuff lol

lots of information available on the website about how he did it and 
what devices you need to buy that helps in home automation.

good example is that you can login online while traveling turn on the 
A/C before you fly back home :)

anyone did such experimental in Kuwait? Eng. Sabah maybe ? ;)
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From bashar at kuwaitnet.net  Fri Jul  3 03:21:10 2009
From: bashar at kuwaitnet.net (Bashar Al-Abdulhadi)
Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 03:21:10 +0300
Subject: [General] Drive Me Insane! (Home Automation devices)
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From bashar at kuwaitnet.net  Fri Jul  3 03:28:21 2009
From: bashar at kuwaitnet.net (Bashar Al-Abdulhadi)
Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 03:28:21 +0300
Subject: [General] Arabic Unix Shell
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From bashar at kuwaitnet.net  Fri Jul  3 03:52:15 2009
From: bashar at kuwaitnet.net (Bashar Al-Abdulhadi)
Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 03:52:15 +0300
Subject: [General] "Palm Sold 370000 Pre Phones in May, June"
Message-ID: <4A4D563F.1010403@kuwaitnet.net>

http://www.osnews.com/story/21754/_Palm_Sold_370000_Pre_Phones_in_May_June_


Palm's Linux phone is pickup up!


soon seems there is a GSM version 
http://www.precentral.net/palm-pre-european-carrier-and-release-dates-who-when


and guess what you can have a mobile webserver (LAMP[1]) on this device 
http://predev.wikidot.com/apache :D cool for webapp presentation during 
meetings!




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[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LAMP_(software_bundle)

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From bashar at kuwaitnet.net  Sun Jul  5 01:54:20 2009
From: bashar at kuwaitnet.net (Bashar Al-Abdulhadi)
Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 01:54:20 +0300
Subject: [General] Open Source Code Search Engine - Koders
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Do you code ? search opensource codes @ http://www.koders.com if did not 
hear about it before :)

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From bohsain at gmail.com  Sun Jul  5 02:07:02 2009
From: bohsain at gmail.com (BoHSaiN)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 02:07:02 +0300
Subject: [General] video about CAPTCHAS
Message-ID: <e208b49f0907041607q34c23444x8e4302f9a79cc8d2@mail.gmail.com>

in this video you'll see how captchas helps to convert millions of documents
from papers to digital formats.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aszl5avDtek
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From burhan.khalid at gmail.com  Sun Jul  5 12:28:15 2009
From: burhan.khalid at gmail.com (Burhan Khalid)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 12:28:15 +0300
Subject: [General] Open Source Code Search Engine - Koders
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http://www.google.com.kw/codesearch?hl=en

On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 1:54 AM, Bashar Al-Abdulhadi<bashar at kuwaitnet.net> wrote:
> Do you code ? search opensource codes @ http://www.koders.com if did not
> hear about it before :)
>
>
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From bashar at kuwaitnet.net  Sun Jul  5 19:41:20 2009
From: bashar at kuwaitnet.net (Bashar Al-Abdulhadi)
Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 19:41:20 +0300
Subject: [General] Open Source Code Search Engine - Koders
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From bashar at kuwaitnet.net  Mon Jul  6 08:19:09 2009
From: bashar at kuwaitnet.net (Bashar Al-Abdulhadi)
Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 08:19:09 +0300
Subject: [General] =?utf-8?b?2KfZhNio2YjYp9io2Kkg2KfZhNi52LHYqNmK2Kkg2YQ=?=
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http://www.aitnews.com/news/3664.html


old news but worth sharing !



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From bashar at kuwaitnet.net  Mon Jul  6 10:08:32 2009
From: bashar at kuwaitnet.net (Bashar Al-Abdulhadi)
Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 10:08:32 +0300
Subject: [General] =?utf-8?q?Nokia=27s_Maemo_switches_to_Qt_-_=D9=86=D9=88?=
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http://itwadi.com/node/1117

http://derstandard.at/fs/1246541386200/Maemo-switches-to-Qt

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From majedb at gmail.com  Mon Jul  6 13:05:16 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 13:05:16 +0300
Subject: [General]
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	=?utf-8?b?2YHZhtiy2YjZitmE2Kcg2KrYs9iq2LrZhtmKINi52YYg2K7Yr9mF2Kc=?=
	=?utf-8?b?2Kog2YXYp9mK2YPYsdmI2LPZiNmB2Ko=?=
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References: <4A51894D.4080707@kuwaitnet.net>
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My heart skips a beat every time I read about some government
switching away from MS.

2009/7/6 Bashar Al-Abdulhadi <bashar at kuwaitnet.net>:
> http://www.aitnews.com/news/3664.html
>
>
> old news but worth sharing !
>
>
>
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From ahmad at koutbo6.com  Mon Jul  6 14:50:06 2009
From: ahmad at koutbo6.com (Ahmad Al-Ibrahim)
Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 14:50:06 +0300
Subject: [General]
 =?utf-8?q?Nokia=27s_Maemo_switches_to_Qt_-_=D9=86=D9=88?=
 =?utf-8?b?2YPZitinINiq2KrYrtmE2Ykg2LnZhiBHVEsr?=
In-Reply-To: <4A51A2F0.7070600@kuwaitnet.net>
References: <4A51A2F0.7070600@kuwaitnet.net>
Message-ID: <4A51E4EE.3070702@koutbo6.com>

There are plans to dump Symbian in favor of Debian.

Bashar Al-Abdulhadi wrote:
> http://itwadi.com/node/1117
> 
> http://derstandard.at/fs/1246541386200/Maemo-switches-to-Qt
> 
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From majedb at gmail.com  Mon Jul  6 14:58:36 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 14:58:36 +0300
Subject: [General]
	=?utf-8?q?Nokia=27s_Maemo_switches_to_Qt_-_=D9=86=D9=88?=
	=?utf-8?b?2YPZitinINiq2KrYrtmE2Ykg2LnZhiBHVEsr?=
In-Reply-To: <4A51E4EE.3070702@koutbo6.com>
References: <4A51A2F0.7070600@kuwaitnet.net> <4A51E4EE.3070702@koutbo6.com>
Message-ID: <70ed7c3e0907060458o7387705eq20f262d120a34a32@mail.gmail.com>

I donno how well that would go for Nokia. They've been using Symbian
for quite some time now and still have issues with User Interface
stability.

I know many people that have switched away from Nokia due to bad
experiences with phones; between Blackberries, Sony, Samsung &
iPhones.

On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim<ahmad at koutbo6.com> wrote:
> There are plans to dump Symbian in favor of Debian.
>
> Bashar Al-Abdulhadi wrote:
>> http://itwadi.com/node/1117
>>
>> http://derstandard.at/fs/1246541386200/Maemo-switches-to-Qt
>>
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From ahmad at koutbo6.com  Mon Jul  6 15:44:14 2009
From: ahmad at koutbo6.com (Ahmad Al-Ibrahim)
Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 15:44:14 +0300
Subject: [General]
 =?iso-8859-1?q?Nokia=27s_Maemo_switches_to_Qt_-_=3F=3F?=
 =?iso-8859-1?q?=3F=3F=3F_=3F=3F=3F=3F=3F_=3F=3F_GTK+?=
In-Reply-To: <70ed7c3e0907060458o7387705eq20f262d120a34a32@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A51A2F0.7070600@kuwaitnet.net> <4A51E4EE.3070702@koutbo6.com>
	<70ed7c3e0907060458o7387705eq20f262d120a34a32@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A51F19E.6050400@koutbo6.com>

They've paid more than $400 million to acquire Symbian, and now they're
planning to dump it, they may not dump it completely, they may use it
for the second line of phones.

I think all of this is happening because of the confusion happening in
the management.

They have new product to compete with blackberry messenger

http://betalabs.nokia.com/betas/view/nokia-chat

and it sucks!

Majed B. wrote:
> I donno how well that would go for Nokia. They've been using Symbian
> for quite some time now and still have issues with User Interface
> stability.
> 
> I know many people that have switched away from Nokia due to bad
> experiences with phones; between Blackberries, Sony, Samsung &
> iPhones.
> 
> On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim<ahmad at koutbo6.com> wrote:
>> There are plans to dump Symbian in favor of Debian.
>>
>> Bashar Al-Abdulhadi wrote:
>>> http://itwadi.com/node/1117
>>>
>>> http://derstandard.at/fs/1246541386200/Maemo-switches-to-Qt
>>>
>>>
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From bashar at kuwaitnet.net  Mon Jul  6 16:17:10 2009
From: bashar at kuwaitnet.net (Bashar Al-Abdulhadi)
Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 16:17:10 +0300
Subject: [General] [Fwd: [ISOC] Now accepting applications [ISOC Fellowship
	to the IETF]]
Message-ID: <4A51F956.9040801@kuwaitnet.net>

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From burhan.khalid at gmail.com  Tue Jul  7 10:48:16 2009
From: burhan.khalid at gmail.com (Burhan Khalid)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 10:48:16 +0300
Subject: [General] [Fwd: [ISOC] Now accepting applications [ISOC
	Fellowship to the IETF]]
In-Reply-To: <4A51F956.9040801@kuwaitnet.net>
References: <4A51F956.9040801@kuwaitnet.net>
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I nominate you Bashar.

On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 4:17 PM, Bashar Al-Abdulhadi<bashar at kuwaitnet.net> wrote:
> FYI
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [ISOC] Now accepting applications [ISOC Fellowship to the IETF]
> Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 10:19:05 -0400
> From: Connie Kendig <kendig at isoc.org>
> To: isoc-members-announce at elists.isoc.org
>
> Dear Colleagues,
>
> The Internet Society has announced that it is seeking applications
> for the next round of the ISOC Fellowship to the IETF  program. The
> program offers engineers from developing countries fellowships that
> fund the cost of attending an Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF)
> meeting.
>
> As you know, the IETF is the Internet's premier standards-making
> body, responsible for the development of protocols used in IP-based
> networks. IETF participants represent an international community of
> network designers, operators, vendors, and researchers involved in
> the technical operation of the Internet and the continuing evolution
> of Internet architecture.
>
> Fellowships will be awarded through a competitive application
> process. The Internet Society is currently accepting fellowship
> applications for the next two IETF meetings:
>
>     * IETF 76 being held in Hiroshima, Japan, 8-13 November 2009
>     * IETF 77 being held in Anaheim, USA, 21-26 March 2010
>
> Up to six fellowships will be awarded for each IETF meeting.
>
> Full details on the ISOC Fellowship to the IETF, including how to
> apply, are located on the ISOC website at :
>
> 	http://www.isoc.org/educpillar/fellowship
>
> Fellowship applications for both IETF meetings are due by 31 July 2009.
>
> The Internet Society formally launched the ISOC Fellowship to the
> IETF program in January 2007 after successfully piloting the program
> during 2006 at IETF 66 in Montreal and IETF 67 in San Diego. Forty seven
> individuals from 29 countries have participated in the program since
> its inception.
>
> I encourage you to pass information about this program to individuals
> involved in your regional operators' groups that have a keen interest
> in the Internet standardisation activities of the IETF.  You also may
> consider being a reference for the applicant.
>
> If you have questions, please do not hesiate to contact Connie Kendig
> <kendig at isoc.org> or Mirjam Kuehne <mir at isoc.org>.
>
> Kind Regards,
> Connie J Kendig
> ISOC
>
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From bashar at kuwaitnet.net  Wed Jul  8 18:39:28 2009
From: bashar at kuwaitnet.net (Bashar Al-Abdulhadi)
Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 18:39:28 +0300
Subject: [General] Official Google Blog: Introducing the Google Chrome OS
Message-ID: <4A54BDB0.3020101@kuwaitnet.net>

google OS rumors has been officially confirmed

http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/introducing-google-chrome-os.html

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From bashar.abdullah at gmail.com  Wed Jul  8 19:04:48 2009
From: bashar.abdullah at gmail.com (bashar abdullah)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 19:04:48 +0300
Subject: [General] Official Google Blog: Introducing the Google Chrome OS
In-Reply-To: <4A54BDB0.3020101@kuwaitnet.net>
References: <4A54BDB0.3020101@kuwaitnet.net>
Message-ID: <862afa530907080904m352df1fej2e0943f02f1def67@mail.gmail.com>

I don't care if it pisses some people off, Yahooooooo!. Can't wait to get my
hands on one :)

On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 6:39 PM, Bashar Al-Abdulhadi <bashar at kuwaitnet.net>wrote:

> google OS rumors has been officially confirmed
>
> http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/introducing-google-chrome-os.html
>
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From majedb at gmail.com  Wed Jul  8 21:52:07 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 21:52:07 +0300
Subject: [General] Official Google Blog: Introducing the Google Chrome OS
In-Reply-To: <862afa530907080904m352df1fej2e0943f02f1def67@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A54BDB0.3020101@kuwaitnet.net>
	<862afa530907080904m352df1fej2e0943f02f1def67@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <70ed7c3e0907081152j2874d324vfc14ddfbc12c4eb0@mail.gmail.com>

It's a distro rather than an OS...

On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 7:04 PM, bashar
abdullah<bashar.abdullah at gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't care if it pisses some people off, Yahooooooo!. Can't wait to get my
> hands on one :)
>
> On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 6:39 PM, Bashar Al-Abdulhadi <bashar at kuwaitnet.net>
> wrote:
>>
>> google OS rumors has been officially confirmed
>>
>> http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/introducing-google-chrome-os.html
>>
>>
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From burhan.khalid at gmail.com  Thu Jul  9 05:48:36 2009
From: burhan.khalid at gmail.com (Burhan Khalid)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 05:48:36 +0300
Subject: [General] Official Google Blog: Introducing the Google Chrome OS
In-Reply-To: <70ed7c3e0907081152j2874d324vfc14ddfbc12c4eb0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A54BDB0.3020101@kuwaitnet.net>
	<862afa530907080904m352df1fej2e0943f02f1def67@mail.gmail.com>
	<70ed7c3e0907081152j2874d324vfc14ddfbc12c4eb0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <828fd6cc0907081948n3c690678yc3cb61773adc9187@mail.gmail.com>

Its also only for netbooks (initially), since its based on chrome. I
don't think anyone is expecting to run MS Word on it.

On 7/8/09, Majed B. <majedb at gmail.com> wrote:
> It's a distro rather than an OS...
>
> On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 7:04 PM, bashar
> abdullah<bashar.abdullah at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I don't care if it pisses some people off, Yahooooooo!. Can't wait to get
>> my
>> hands on one :)
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 6:39 PM, Bashar Al-Abdulhadi <bashar at kuwaitnet.net>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> google OS rumors has been officially confirmed
>>>
>>> http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/introducing-google-chrome-os.html
>>>
>>>
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From bashar.abdullah at gmail.com  Thu Jul  9 11:08:13 2009
From: bashar.abdullah at gmail.com (bashar abdullah)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 11:08:13 +0300
Subject: [General] Official Google Blog: Introducing the Google Chrome OS
In-Reply-To: <828fd6cc0907081948n3c690678yc3cb61773adc9187@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A54BDB0.3020101@kuwaitnet.net>
	<862afa530907080904m352df1fej2e0943f02f1def67@mail.gmail.com> 
	<70ed7c3e0907081152j2874d324vfc14ddfbc12c4eb0@mail.gmail.com> 
	<828fd6cc0907081948n3c690678yc3cb61773adc9187@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <862afa530907090108udf9ff0cha9390c675433124d@mail.gmail.com>

Thats ok. You can run Google Docs ;)

On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 5:48 AM, Burhan Khalid <burhan.khalid at gmail.com>wrote:

> Its also only for netbooks (initially), since its based on chrome. I
> don't think anyone is expecting to run MS Word on it.
>
> On 7/8/09, Majed B. <majedb at gmail.com> wrote:
> > It's a distro rather than an OS...
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 7:04 PM, bashar
> > abdullah<bashar.abdullah at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I don't care if it pisses some people off, Yahooooooo!. Can't wait to
> get
> >> my
> >> hands on one :)
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 6:39 PM, Bashar Al-Abdulhadi <
> bashar at kuwaitnet.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> google OS rumors has been officially confirmed
> >>>
> >>>
> http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/introducing-google-chrome-os.html
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
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> >>
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> >>
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> >
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From majedb at gmail.com  Thu Jul  9 12:09:41 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 12:09:41 +0300
Subject: [General] Official Google Blog: Introducing the Google Chrome OS
In-Reply-To: <862afa530907090108udf9ff0cha9390c675433124d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A54BDB0.3020101@kuwaitnet.net>
	<862afa530907080904m352df1fej2e0943f02f1def67@mail.gmail.com> 
	<70ed7c3e0907081152j2874d324vfc14ddfbc12c4eb0@mail.gmail.com> 
	<828fd6cc0907081948n3c690678yc3cb61773adc9187@mail.gmail.com> 
	<862afa530907090108udf9ff0cha9390c675433124d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <70ed7c3e0907090209h35dd48behbecbdbd61a55ab4c@mail.gmail.com>

OpenOffice.org ftw?!

On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 11:08 AM, bashar
abdullah<bashar.abdullah at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thats ok. You can run Google Docs ;)
>
> On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 5:48 AM, Burhan Khalid <burhan.khalid at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Its also only for netbooks (initially), since its based on chrome. I
>> don't think anyone is expecting to run MS Word on it.
>>
>> On 7/8/09, Majed B. <majedb at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > It's a distro rather than an OS...
>> >
>> > On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 7:04 PM, bashar
>> > abdullah<bashar.abdullah at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> I don't care if it pisses some people off, Yahooooooo!. Can't wait to
>> >> get
>> >> my
>> >> hands on one :)
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 6:39 PM, Bashar Al-Abdulhadi
>> >> <bashar at kuwaitnet.net>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> google OS rumors has been officially confirmed
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/introducing-google-chrome-os.html
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> _______________________________________________
>> >>> General mailing list
>> >>> General at oskw.org
>> >>> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
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>> >>
>> >>
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>> >> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
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>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
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>> >
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From bashar at kuwaitnet.net  Thu Jul  9 17:20:40 2009
From: bashar at kuwaitnet.net (Bashar Al-Abdulhadi)
Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 17:20:40 +0300
Subject: [General] =?utf-8?b?2KzYp9im2LLYqSDYp9mE2K7Zhdiz2YXYp9im2KkgKyAx?=
 =?utf-8?b?NTAwINiv2YjZhNin2LE=?=
Message-ID: <4A55FCB8.20803@kuwaitnet.net>

http://www.itwadi.com/node/1120

a per son set $500 (then became $1500 after donations) for the person 
who makes an arabic opensource drawing software


originally at 
http://www.shabayek.com/blog/2009/06/25/%d8%ac%d8%a7%d8%a6%d8%b2%d8%a9-%d8%a7%d9%84%d8%ae%d9%85%d8%b3%d9%85%d8%a7%d8%a6%d8%a9-%d8%af%d9%88%d9%84%d8%a7%d8%b1/



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From bashar.abdullah at gmail.com  Thu Jul  9 17:25:17 2009
From: bashar.abdullah at gmail.com (bashar abdullah)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 17:25:17 +0300
Subject: [General]
	=?windows-1256?b?zMfG0skgx+HO49Pjx8bJICsgMTUwMCDP5uHH?=
	=?windows-1256?q?=D1?=
In-Reply-To: <4A55FCB8.20803@kuwaitnet.net>
References: <4A55FCB8.20803@kuwaitnet.net>
Message-ID: <862afa530907090725l4713878fpba5dec207df28415@mail.gmail.com>

Isn't that too low to encourage an open source software?

2009/7/9 Bashar Al-Abdulhadi <bashar at kuwaitnet.net>

> http://www.itwadi.com/node/1120
>
> a per son set $500 (then became $1500 after donations) for the person who
> makes an arabic opensource drawing software
>
>
> originally at
> http://www.shabayek.com/blog/2009/06/25/%d8%ac%d8%a7%d8%a6%d8%b2%d8%a9-%d8%a7%d9%84%d8%ae%d9%85%d8%b3%d9%85%d8%a7%d8%a6%d8%a9-%d8%af%d9%88%d9%84%d8%a7%d8%b1/
>
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From bashar at kuwaitnet.net  Thu Jul  9 18:00:08 2009
From: bashar at kuwaitnet.net (Bashar Al-Abdulhadi)
Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 18:00:08 +0300
Subject: [General]
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From ahmad at koutbo6.com  Thu Jul  9 18:17:20 2009
From: ahmad at koutbo6.com (Ahmad Al-Ibrahim)
Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 18:17:20 +0300
Subject: [General] Yahoo to open source traffic server
Message-ID: <4A560A00.3020109@koutbo6.com>

Yahoo is going to open source their traffic server which is used to
serve millions of users, it is fast and scalable and can handle 35,000
requests per second.

http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/TrafficServerProposal



From bashar at kuwaitnet.net  Thu Jul  9 20:31:36 2009
From: bashar at kuwaitnet.net (Bashar Al-Abdulhadi)
Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 20:31:36 +0300
Subject: [General] Official Google Blog: Introducing the Google Chrome OS
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From bashar at kuwaitnet.net  Thu Jul  9 20:39:08 2009
From: bashar at kuwaitnet.net (Bashar Al-Abdulhadi)
Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 20:39:08 +0300
Subject: [General] After 5 years Gmail finally leaves beta!
Message-ID: <4A562B3C.8030201@kuwaitnet.net>

http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/gmail-leaves-beta-launches-back-to-beta.html


it has been 5 years already?! Masha'allah !!! :D


anyhow back to the topic, what might be the reason for all this 'beta' ? 
being safe from getting sued ? backup plan from being a joke on errors ?


your thoughts?

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From burhan.khalid at gmail.com  Fri Jul 10 21:26:03 2009
From: burhan.khalid at gmail.com (Burhan Khalid)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 21:26:03 +0300
Subject: [General] After 5 years Gmail finally leaves beta!
In-Reply-To: <4A562B3C.8030201@kuwaitnet.net>
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Message-ID: <828fd6cc0907101126u34c73ca1i61f3c62c81bca0ac@mail.gmail.com>

I read that they moved it out of beta to calm down business users.
Also docs is out of beta.

On 7/9/09, Bashar Al-Abdulhadi <bashar at kuwaitnet.net> wrote:
> http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/gmail-leaves-beta-launches-back-to-beta.html
>
>
> it has been 5 years already?! Masha'allah !!! :D
>
>
> anyhow back to the topic, what might be the reason for all this 'beta' ?
> being safe from getting sued ? backup plan from being a joke on errors ?
>
>
> your thoughts?
>
>

-- 
Sent from my mobile device



From majedb at gmail.com  Mon Jul 13 00:48:58 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 00:48:58 +0300
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
Message-ID: <70ed7c3e0907121448y513e8b7k382dcb3f24848311@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everyone!

My family wants to install a PBX at home and I want to use a VoIP
based PBX that hooks to a Plain Old Telephone System (POTS) (Analog
phone lines). Anyone has suggestions on which PBX to buy, whether it's
available in Kuwait or not, and would using a digital PBX be a better
idea?

I like the idea of being able to connect via VPN from outside and dial
an extension or a number in Kuwait without paying for International
calls.

Also, I have an Access Point that covers the area. The AP connects to
a switch and to the switch is a router that hooks to the Internet.

Each bed room has 2 sockets: 1x RJ11 + 1x RJ45. I was thinking of
using wireless VoIP phones since the AP covers the area or hook desk
VoIP phones to the RJ45 socket.

Getting the equipment from USA is not an issue. I can pass it from the
customs if necessary, but I prefer to buy it locally if available.

I found these items on Amazon:
Cisco SPA3102: http://www.amazon.com/Cisco-SPA3102-NA-Voip-Single-Gateway/dp/B000FKP55U/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1247433429&sr=8-3

Linksys SPA2102:
http://www.amazon.com/Linksys-SPA2102-Phone-Adapter-Router/dp/B000FKP55K/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1247433429&sr=8-2

I'm not quite sure what's the difference or whether they fit for my usage...

Waiting for your responses :D
-- 
       Majed B.



From kuwait at q8net.com  Mon Jul 13 05:07:47 2009
From: kuwait at q8net.com (kuwait at q8net.com)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 19:07:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <70ed7c3e0907121448y513e8b7k382dcb3f24848311@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <803733.59789.qm@web76108.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>

Salam Majed and All,

I use Trixbox on an old 800Mhz PII computer. Trixbox is based on the famous opensource VoIP application Asterisk (http://www.Asterisk.org) and the famous web controlled FreePBX (http://www.freepbx.org) and the official website for Trixbox you can find it here (http://www.trixbox.org).

I have installed an Asterisk compliant PCI card (available from the official sponsors of Asterisk project http://www.digium.com) to extend the capabalities of my small Trixbox server, it comes with a lot of features not known to many. if you want to compare it to a commercial level digital pbx (like Panasonic?) it will outperform it along with far more features.
?
If you dont like to DIY way then both Trixbox (Fonality company) and Digium have their own Linux based VoIP appliances, just dig in through their products link.

I hope that helps

Regards
Faisal AlAbhoul


--- On Mon, 7/13/09, Majed B. <majedb at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Majed B. <majedb at gmail.com>
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
To: "General OpenSource Discussion" <general at oskw.org>
Date: Monday, July 13, 2009, 12:48 AM

Hello everyone!

My family wants to install a PBX at home and I want to use a VoIP
based PBX that hooks to a Plain Old Telephone System (POTS) (Analog
phone lines). Anyone has suggestions on which PBX to buy, whether it's
available in Kuwait or not, and would using a digital PBX be a better
idea?

I like the idea of being able to connect via VPN from outside and dial
an extension or a number in Kuwait without paying for International
calls.

Also, I have an Access Point that covers the area. The AP connects to
a switch and to the switch is a router that hooks to the Internet.

Each bed room has 2 sockets: 1x RJ11 + 1x RJ45. I was thinking of
using wireless VoIP phones since the AP covers the area or hook desk
VoIP phones to the RJ45 socket.

Getting the equipment from USA is not an issue. I can pass it from the
customs if necessary, but I prefer to buy it locally if available.

I found these items on Amazon:
Cisco SPA3102: http://www.amazon.com/Cisco-SPA3102-NA-Voip-Single-Gateway/dp/B000FKP55U/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1247433429&sr=8-3

Linksys SPA2102:
http://www.amazon.com/Linksys-SPA2102-Phone-Adapter-Router/dp/B000FKP55K/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1247433429&sr=8-2

I'm not quite sure what's the difference or whether they fit for my usage....

Waiting for your responses :D
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? ? ???Majed B.

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From majedb at gmail.com  Mon Jul 13 09:23:05 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 09:23:05 +0300
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <803733.59789.qm@web76108.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>
References: <70ed7c3e0907121448y513e8b7k382dcb3f24848311@mail.gmail.com> 
	<803733.59789.qm@web76108.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <70ed7c3e0907122323x73b143f3q97f2b2d77d2af551@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Faisal,

Where did you buy the PCI card from? Did you have any issues bringing
it through the customs?

I saw some of Digium's cards being sold on Amazon...

On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 5:07 AM, <kuwait at q8net.com> wrote:
> Salam Majed and All,
>
> I use Trixbox on an old 800Mhz PII computer. Trixbox is based on the famous
> opensource VoIP application Asterisk (http://www.Asterisk.org) and the
> famous web controlled FreePBX (http://www.freepbx.org) and the official
> website for Trixbox you can find it here (http://www.trixbox.org).
>
> I have installed an Asterisk compliant PCI card (available from the official
> sponsors of Asterisk project http://www.digium.com) to extend the
> capabalities of my small Trixbox server, it comes with a lot of features not
> known to many. if you want to compare it to a commercial level digital pbx
> (like Panasonic?) it will outperform it along with far more features.
>
> If you dont like to DIY way then both Trixbox (Fonality company) and Digium
> have their own Linux based VoIP appliances, just dig in through their
> products link.
>
> I hope that helps
>
> Regards
> Faisal AlAbhoul
-- 
       Majed B.



From kuwait at q8net.com  Mon Jul 13 10:48:17 2009
From: kuwait at q8net.com (kuwait at q8net.com)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 00:48:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <70ed7c3e0907122323x73b143f3q97f2b2d77d2af551@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <220734.56617.qm@web76103.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>


Its a normal PCI card that looks like an internal modem but with 4 RJ11 sockets, the 4 RJ11 sockets are normally the small phone sockets we all know. I collected my card in NewYork but i see no reasons customs should give you any trouble, just tell them its a multi modem card. AFIC only trouble they might give you if you bring the digital E1 cards used in making Multi Digital PBX with hunting groups like the commercial 18xxxxx which you can also run it with Linux and Asterisk.

?Remember to buy the FXO/FXS modules, go with one FXO and one FXS so you can be familiar with it although i suggest you install Trixbox or Asterisk just to be familiar with Linux VoIP.



--- On Mon, 7/13/09, Majed B. <majedb at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Majed B. <majedb at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
To: "General OpenSource Discussion" <general at oskw.org>
Date: Monday, July 13, 2009, 9:23 AM

Hi Faisal,

Where did you buy the PCI card from? Did you have any issues bringing
it through the customs?

I saw some of Digium's cards being sold on Amazon...

On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 5:07 AM, <kuwait at q8net.com> wrote:
> Salam Majed and All,
>
> I use Trixbox on an old 800Mhz PII computer. Trixbox is based on the famous
> opensource VoIP application Asterisk (http://www.Asterisk.org) and the
> famous web controlled FreePBX (http://www.freepbx.org) and the official
> website for Trixbox you can find it here (http://www.trixbox.org).
>
> I have installed an Asterisk compliant PCI card (available from the official
> sponsors of Asterisk project http://www.digium.com) to extend the
> capabalities of my small Trixbox server, it comes with a lot of features not
> known to many. if you want to compare it to a commercial level digital pbx
> (like Panasonic?) it will outperform it along with far more features.
>
> If you dont like to DIY way then both Trixbox (Fonality company) and Digium
> have their own Linux based VoIP appliances, just dig in through their
> products link.
>
> I hope that helps
>
> Regards
> Faisal AlAbhoul
-- 
? ? ???Majed B.

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From burhan.khalid at gmail.com  Mon Jul 13 13:03:42 2009
From: burhan.khalid at gmail.com (Burhan Khalid)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:03:42 +0300
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <220734.56617.qm@web76103.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>
References: <70ed7c3e0907122323x73b143f3q97f2b2d77d2af551@mail.gmail.com>
	<220734.56617.qm@web76103.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <828fd6cc0907130303s2f2b6c31t6d54dcfadc0f48d0@mail.gmail.com>

Asterisk is great, but if you just want to get something running --
then AirLive has some great products and its the one we use here at
the office for a 'hack' VoIP connection. The best thing is they are
available in Kuwait.

On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 10:48 AM, <kuwait at q8net.com> wrote:
>
> Its a normal PCI card that looks like an internal modem but with 4 RJ11
> sockets, the 4 RJ11 sockets are normally the small phone sockets we all
> know. I collected my card in NewYork but i see no reasons customs should
> give you any trouble, just tell them its a multi modem card. AFIC only
> trouble they might give you if you bring the digital E1 cards used in making
> Multi Digital PBX with hunting groups like the commercial 18xxxxx which you
> can also run it with Linux and Asterisk.
>
> ?Remember to buy the FXO/FXS modules, go with one FXO and one FXS so you can
> be familiar with it although i suggest you install Trixbox or Asterisk just
> to be familiar with Linux VoIP.
>
>
>
> --- On Mon, 7/13/09, Majed B. <majedb at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Majed B. <majedb at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
> To: "General OpenSource Discussion" <general at oskw.org>
> Date: Monday, July 13, 2009, 9:23 AM
>
> Hi Faisal,
>
> Where did you buy the PCI card from? Did you have any issues bringing
> it through the customs?
>
> I saw some of Digium's cards being sold on Amazon...
>
> On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 5:07 AM, <kuwait at q8net.com> wrote:
>> Salam Majed and All,
>>
>> I use Trixbox on an old 800Mhz PII computer. Trixbox is based on the
>> famous
>> opensource VoIP application Asterisk (http://www.Asterisk.org) and the
>> famous web controlled FreePBX (http://www.freepbx.org) and the official
>> website for Trixbox you can find it here (http://www.trixbox.org).
>>
>> I have installed an Asterisk compliant PCI card (available from the
>> official
>> sponsors of Asterisk project http://www.digium.com) to extend the
>> capabalities of my small Trixbox server, it comes with a lot of features
>> not
>> known to many. if you want to compare it to a commercial level digital pbx
>> (like Panasonic?) it will outperform it along with far more features.
>>
>> If you dont like to DIY way then both Trixbox (Fonality company) and
>> Digium
>> have their own Linux based VoIP appliances, just dig in through their
>> products link.
>>
>> I hope that helps
>>
>> Regards
>> Faisal AlAbhoul
> --
> ? ? ???Majed B.
>
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From majedb at gmail.com  Mon Jul 13 17:16:25 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 17:16:25 +0300
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <828fd6cc0907130303s2f2b6c31t6d54dcfadc0f48d0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <70ed7c3e0907122323x73b143f3q97f2b2d77d2af551@mail.gmail.com> 
	<220734.56617.qm@web76103.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>
	<828fd6cc0907130303s2f2b6c31t6d54dcfadc0f48d0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <70ed7c3e0907130716y3b27aa7fy6381efdc7552eb9a@mail.gmail.com>

Faisal,
What is the difference between FreePBX and Trixbox? I admit that I
didn't dig much, but I'd appreciate it if you explain the difference
for me. I'll my digging at the end of this week since I'm busy with
some reconstruction work at the moment.
I know that FXO ports are those that you plug into the wall socket and
FXS are for the analog phone devices.

There's a reseller in Dubai for Digium. I'll compare their pricing to
Amazon (+ Aramex) and see which fits.


Burhan,
That's great news! Any idea how much it costs? What about the phone
devices that you use? How much do they cost?

Thank you guys!

On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Burhan Khalid<burhan.khalid at gmail.com> wrote:
> Asterisk is great, but if you just want to get something running --
> then AirLive has some great products and its the one we use here at
> the office for a 'hack' VoIP connection. The best thing is they are
> available in Kuwait.
>
> On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 10:48 AM, <kuwait at q8net.com> wrote:
>>
>> Its a normal PCI card that looks like an internal modem but with 4 RJ11
>> sockets, the 4 RJ11 sockets are normally the small phone sockets we all
>> know. I collected my card in NewYork but i see no reasons customs should
>> give you any trouble, just tell them its a multi modem card. AFIC only
>> trouble they might give you if you bring the digital E1 cards used in making
>> Multi Digital PBX with hunting groups like the commercial 18xxxxx which you
>> can also run it with Linux and Asterisk.
>>
>> ?Remember to buy the FXO/FXS modules, go with one FXO and one FXS so you can
>> be familiar with it although i suggest you install Trixbox or Asterisk just
>> to be familiar with Linux VoIP.
-- 
       Majed B.



From kuwait at q8net.com  Tue Jul 14 04:06:46 2009
From: kuwait at q8net.com (kuwait at q8net.com)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 18:06:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <70ed7c3e0907130716y3b27aa7fy6381efdc7552eb9a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <74689.86916.qm@web76108.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>

Trixbox is the full VoIP and PBX in one combining both Asterisk and FreePBX.. Asterisk is the base VoIP engine while FreePBX is the trunking or call it the PBX itself. 

--- On Mon, 7/13/09, Majed B. <majedb at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Majed B. <majedb at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
To: "General OpenSource Discussion" <general at oskw.org>
Date: Monday, July 13, 2009, 5:16 PM

Faisal,
What is the difference between FreePBX and Trixbox? I admit that I
didn't dig much, but I'd appreciate it if you explain the difference
for me. I'll my digging at the end of this week since I'm busy with
some reconstruction work at the moment.
I know that FXO ports are those that you plug into the wall socket and
FXS are for the analog phone devices.

There's a reseller in Dubai for Digium. I'll compare their pricing to
Amazon (+ Aramex) and see which fits.


Burhan,
That's great news! Any idea how much it costs? What about the phone
devices that you use? How much do they cost?

Thank you guys!

On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Burhan Khalid<burhan.khalid at gmail.com> wrote:
> Asterisk is great, but if you just want to get something running --
> then AirLive has some great products and its the one we use here at
> the office for a 'hack' VoIP connection. The best thing is they are
> available in Kuwait.
>
> On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 10:48 AM, <kuwait at q8net.com> wrote:
>>
>> Its a normal PCI card that looks like an internal modem but with 4 RJ11
>> sockets, the 4 RJ11 sockets are normally the small phone sockets we all
>> know. I collected my card in NewYork but i see no reasons customs should
>> give you any trouble, just tell them its a multi modem card. AFIC only
>> trouble they might give you if you bring the digital E1 cards used in making
>> Multi Digital PBX with hunting groups like the commercial 18xxxxx which you
>> can also run it with Linux and Asterisk.
>>
>> ?Remember to buy the FXO/FXS modules, go with one FXO and one FXS so you can
>> be familiar with it although i suggest you install Trixbox or Asterisk just
>> to be familiar with Linux VoIP.
-- 
? ? ???Majed B.

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From burhan.khalid at gmail.com  Tue Jul 14 08:22:40 2009
From: burhan.khalid at gmail.com (Burhan Khalid)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 08:22:40 +0300
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <70ed7c3e0907130716y3b27aa7fy6381efdc7552eb9a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <70ed7c3e0907122323x73b143f3q97f2b2d77d2af551@mail.gmail.com>
	<220734.56617.qm@web76103.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>
	<828fd6cc0907130303s2f2b6c31t6d54dcfadc0f48d0@mail.gmail.com>
	<70ed7c3e0907130716y3b27aa7fy6381efdc7552eb9a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <828fd6cc0907132222q6b3f2e78h3530754d497303df@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Majed:

  We use a "normal" phone that is hooked into a standard PBX. However,
all you need is a regular phone to get it going, as the device from
Airlive works with normal, analogue phones.

  What it does is, converts your analogue phone into a VoIP device,
and then provides both SIP and PTSN routes out -- but the real magic
of the system is, if you get two devices from Airlive that support
SIP, then you can use Airlive's free SIP server that is automatically
configured for both devices -- basically, its zero configuration on
your part. You plug both devices into the Internet, plug phones into
them, and then start making calls.

  The device: http://www.airlive.com/product/product_3.jsp?pdid=PD1217476135797
  The free service:
http://www.airlive.com/press/press_m2_content.jsp?pmsid=PMS1218182941306&pmcid=PMC1206465271203

Hope this helps,
--
Burhan

On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 5:16 PM, Majed B.<majedb at gmail.com> wrote:
> Faisal,
> What is the difference between FreePBX and Trixbox? I admit that I
> didn't dig much, but I'd appreciate it if you explain the difference
> for me. I'll my digging at the end of this week since I'm busy with
> some reconstruction work at the moment.
> I know that FXO ports are those that you plug into the wall socket and
> FXS are for the analog phone devices.
>
> There's a reseller in Dubai for Digium. I'll compare their pricing to
> Amazon (+ Aramex) and see which fits.
>
>
> Burhan,
> That's great news! Any idea how much it costs? What about the phone
> devices that you use? How much do they cost?
>
> Thank you guys!
>
> On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Burhan Khalid<burhan.khalid at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Asterisk is great, but if you just want to get something running --
>> then AirLive has some great products and its the one we use here at
>> the office for a 'hack' VoIP connection. The best thing is they are
>> available in Kuwait.
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 10:48 AM, <kuwait at q8net.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Its a normal PCI card that looks like an internal modem but with 4 RJ11
>>> sockets, the 4 RJ11 sockets are normally the small phone sockets we all
>>> know. I collected my card in NewYork but i see no reasons customs should
>>> give you any trouble, just tell them its a multi modem card. AFIC only
>>> trouble they might give you if you bring the digital E1 cards used in making
>>> Multi Digital PBX with hunting groups like the commercial 18xxxxx which you
>>> can also run it with Linux and Asterisk.
>>>
>>> ?Remember to buy the FXO/FXS modules, go with one FXO and one FXS so you can
>>> be familiar with it although i suggest you install Trixbox or Asterisk just
>>> to be familiar with Linux VoIP.
> --
> ? ? ? Majed B.
>
> _______________________________________________
> General mailing list
> General at oskw.org
> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>



From kuwait at q8net.com  Tue Jul 14 09:36:40 2009
From: kuwait at q8net.com (kuwait at q8net.com)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 23:36:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <828fd6cc0907132222q6b3f2e78h3530754d497303df@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <938424.82349.qm@web76114.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>


Have a look at this also? http://www.magicjack.com 

--- On Tue, 7/14/09, Burhan Khalid <burhan.khalid at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Burhan Khalid <burhan.khalid at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
To: "General OpenSource Discussion" <general at oskw.org>
Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 8:22 AM

Hi Majed:

? We use a "normal" phone that is hooked into a standard PBX. However,
all you need is a regular phone to get it going, as the device from
Airlive works with normal, analogue phones.

? What it does is, converts your analogue phone into a VoIP device,
and then provides both SIP and PTSN routes out -- but the real magic
of the system is, if you get two devices from Airlive that support
SIP, then you can use Airlive's free SIP server that is automatically
configured for both devices -- basically, its zero configuration on
your part. You plug both devices into the Internet, plug phones into
them, and then start making calls.

? The device: http://www.airlive.com/product/product_3.jsp?pdid=PD1217476135797
? The free service:
http://www.airlive.com/press/press_m2_content.jsp?pmsid=PMS1218182941306&pmcid=PMC1206465271203

Hope this helps,
--
Burhan

On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 5:16 PM, Majed B.<majedb at gmail.com> wrote:
> Faisal,
> What is the difference between FreePBX and Trixbox? I admit that I
> didn't dig much, but I'd appreciate it if you explain the difference
> for me. I'll my digging at the end of this week since I'm busy with
> some reconstruction work at the moment.
> I know that FXO ports are those that you plug into the wall socket and
> FXS are for the analog phone devices.
>
> There's a reseller in Dubai for Digium. I'll compare their pricing to
> Amazon (+ Aramex) and see which fits.
>
>
> Burhan,
> That's great news! Any idea how much it costs? What about the phone
> devices that you use? How much do they cost?
>
> Thank you guys!
>
> On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Burhan Khalid<burhan.khalid at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Asterisk is great, but if you just want to get something running --
>> then AirLive has some great products and its the one we use here at
>> the office for a 'hack' VoIP connection. The best thing is they are
>> available in Kuwait.
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 10:48 AM, <kuwait at q8net.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Its a normal PCI card that looks like an internal modem but with 4 RJ11
>>> sockets, the 4 RJ11 sockets are normally the small phone sockets we all
>>> know. I collected my card in NewYork but i see no reasons customs should
>>> give you any trouble, just tell them its a multi modem card. AFIC only
>>> trouble they might give you if you bring the digital E1 cards used in making
>>> Multi Digital PBX with hunting groups like the commercial 18xxxxx which you
>>> can also run it with Linux and Asterisk.
>>>
>>> ?Remember to buy the FXO/FXS modules, go with one FXO and one FXS so you can
>>> be familiar with it although i suggest you install Trixbox or Asterisk just
>>> to be familiar with Linux VoIP.
> --
> ? ? ? Majed B.
>
> _______________________________________________
> General mailing list
> General at oskw.org
> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>

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From ahmad at koutbo6.com  Tue Jul 14 14:32:57 2009
From: ahmad at koutbo6.com (Ahmad Al-Ibrahim)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:32:57 +0300
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <828fd6cc0907132222q6b3f2e78h3530754d497303df@mail.gmail.com>
References: <70ed7c3e0907122323x73b143f3q97f2b2d77d2af551@mail.gmail.com>	<220734.56617.qm@web76103.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>	<828fd6cc0907130303s2f2b6c31t6d54dcfadc0f48d0@mail.gmail.com>	<70ed7c3e0907130716y3b27aa7fy6381efdc7552eb9a@mail.gmail.com>
	<828fd6cc0907132222q6b3f2e78h3530754d497303df@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A5C6CE9.6040402@koutbo6.com>

Interesting discussion.. I've been looking for a solution to use my
mobile (SIP enabled) via the internet to make local calls in kuwait
while I'm abroad. Not sure what is the right product to achieve this goal.

Regards,

Ahmad Al-Ibrahim

Burhan Khalid wrote:
> Hi Majed:
> 
>   We use a "normal" phone that is hooked into a standard PBX. However,
> all you need is a regular phone to get it going, as the device from
> Airlive works with normal, analogue phones.
> 
>   What it does is, converts your analogue phone into a VoIP device,
> and then provides both SIP and PTSN routes out -- but the real magic
> of the system is, if you get two devices from Airlive that support
> SIP, then you can use Airlive's free SIP server that is automatically
> configured for both devices -- basically, its zero configuration on
> your part. You plug both devices into the Internet, plug phones into
> them, and then start making calls.
> 
>   The device: http://www.airlive.com/product/product_3.jsp?pdid=PD1217476135797
>   The free service:
> http://www.airlive.com/press/press_m2_content.jsp?pmsid=PMS1218182941306&pmcid=PMC1206465271203
> 
> Hope this helps,
> --
> Burhan
> 
> On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 5:16 PM, Majed B.<majedb at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Faisal,
>> What is the difference between FreePBX and Trixbox? I admit that I
>> didn't dig much, but I'd appreciate it if you explain the difference
>> for me. I'll my digging at the end of this week since I'm busy with
>> some reconstruction work at the moment.
>> I know that FXO ports are those that you plug into the wall socket and
>> FXS are for the analog phone devices.
>>
>> There's a reseller in Dubai for Digium. I'll compare their pricing to
>> Amazon (+ Aramex) and see which fits.
>>
>>
>> Burhan,
>> That's great news! Any idea how much it costs? What about the phone
>> devices that you use? How much do they cost?
>>
>> Thank you guys!
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Burhan Khalid<burhan.khalid at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Asterisk is great, but if you just want to get something running --
>>> then AirLive has some great products and its the one we use here at
>>> the office for a 'hack' VoIP connection. The best thing is they are
>>> available in Kuwait.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 10:48 AM, <kuwait at q8net.com> wrote:
>>>> Its a normal PCI card that looks like an internal modem but with 4 RJ11
>>>> sockets, the 4 RJ11 sockets are normally the small phone sockets we all
>>>> know. I collected my card in NewYork but i see no reasons customs should
>>>> give you any trouble, just tell them its a multi modem card. AFIC only
>>>> trouble they might give you if you bring the digital E1 cards used in making
>>>> Multi Digital PBX with hunting groups like the commercial 18xxxxx which you
>>>> can also run it with Linux and Asterisk.
>>>>
>>>>  Remember to buy the FXO/FXS modules, go with one FXO and one FXS so you can
>>>> be familiar with it although i suggest you install Trixbox or Asterisk just
>>>> to be familiar with Linux VoIP.
>> --
>>       Majed B.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> General mailing list
>> General at oskw.org
>> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>>
> 
> _______________________________________________
> General mailing list
> General at oskw.org
> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org



From majedb at gmail.com  Wed Jul 15 01:08:58 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 01:08:58 +0300
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <828fd6cc0907132222q6b3f2e78h3530754d497303df@mail.gmail.com>
References: <70ed7c3e0907122323x73b143f3q97f2b2d77d2af551@mail.gmail.com> 
	<220734.56617.qm@web76103.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>
	<828fd6cc0907130303s2f2b6c31t6d54dcfadc0f48d0@mail.gmail.com> 
	<70ed7c3e0907130716y3b27aa7fy6381efdc7552eb9a@mail.gmail.com> 
	<828fd6cc0907132222q6b3f2e78h3530754d497303df@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <70ed7c3e0907141508r5047d7adqd311f4955e4b0958@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Burhan,

Thanks a lot for the info. I've seen it on airlive's website as soon
as you mentioned it, unfortunately that device has one FXO port (so
one phone line only), where I need 2. Plus, it doesn't really act as a
PBX as far as I understood the description.

If I also understand what you described properly, you're hooking an
analog phone that is connected to an extension in your company to this
VoIP gateway from AirLive which hooks to an off-shore office
(support?). Khurafi Business Machines also does this for their support
line for Unix & pSeries machines (and perhaps other products).

So I guess nothing out there fits my needs out of the box & I have to
get Asterisk/Trixbox/Switchvox.

Thank you for your help all :)

I'll keep you posted should I proceed with this VoIP venture.

On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 8:22 AM, Burhan Khalid<burhan.khalid at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Majed:
>
> ?We use a "normal" phone that is hooked into a standard PBX. However,
> all you need is a regular phone to get it going, as the device from
> Airlive works with normal, analogue phones.
>
> ?What it does is, converts your analogue phone into a VoIP device,
> and then provides both SIP and PTSN routes out -- but the real magic
> of the system is, if you get two devices from Airlive that support
> SIP, then you can use Airlive's free SIP server that is automatically
> configured for both devices -- basically, its zero configuration on
> your part. You plug both devices into the Internet, plug phones into
> them, and then start making calls.
>
> ?The device: http://www.airlive.com/product/product_3.jsp?pdid=PD1217476135797
> ?The free service:
> http://www.airlive.com/press/press_m2_content.jsp?pmsid=PMS1218182941306&pmcid=PMC1206465271203
>
> Hope this helps,
> --
> Burhan
>
> On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 5:16 PM, Majed B.<majedb at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Faisal,
>> What is the difference between FreePBX and Trixbox? I admit that I
>> didn't dig much, but I'd appreciate it if you explain the difference
>> for me. I'll my digging at the end of this week since I'm busy with
>> some reconstruction work at the moment.
>> I know that FXO ports are those that you plug into the wall socket and
>> FXS are for the analog phone devices.
>>
>> There's a reseller in Dubai for Digium. I'll compare their pricing to
>> Amazon (+ Aramex) and see which fits.
>>
>>
>> Burhan,
>> That's great news! Any idea how much it costs? What about the phone
>> devices that you use? How much do they cost?
>>
>> Thank you guys!
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Burhan Khalid<burhan.khalid at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Asterisk is great, but if you just want to get something running --
>>> then AirLive has some great products and its the one we use here at
>>> the office for a 'hack' VoIP connection. The best thing is they are
>>> available in Kuwait.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 10:48 AM, <kuwait at q8net.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Its a normal PCI card that looks like an internal modem but with 4 RJ11
>>>> sockets, the 4 RJ11 sockets are normally the small phone sockets we all
>>>> know. I collected my card in NewYork but i see no reasons customs should
>>>> give you any trouble, just tell them its a multi modem card. AFIC only
>>>> trouble they might give you if you bring the digital E1 cards used in making
>>>> Multi Digital PBX with hunting groups like the commercial 18xxxxx which you
>>>> can also run it with Linux and Asterisk.
>>>>
>>>> ?Remember to buy the FXO/FXS modules, go with one FXO and one FXS so you can
>>>> be familiar with it although i suggest you install Trixbox or Asterisk just
>>>> to be familiar with Linux VoIP.
>> --
>> ? ? ? Majed B.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> General mailing list
>> General at oskw.org
>> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> General mailing list
> General at oskw.org
> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>



-- 
       Majed B.



From burhan.khalid at gmail.com  Wed Jul 15 07:30:09 2009
From: burhan.khalid at gmail.com (Burhan Khalid)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 07:30:09 +0300
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <70ed7c3e0907141508r5047d7adqd311f4955e4b0958@mail.gmail.com>
References: <70ed7c3e0907122323x73b143f3q97f2b2d77d2af551@mail.gmail.com>
	<220734.56617.qm@web76103.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>
	<828fd6cc0907130303s2f2b6c31t6d54dcfadc0f48d0@mail.gmail.com>
	<70ed7c3e0907130716y3b27aa7fy6381efdc7552eb9a@mail.gmail.com>
	<828fd6cc0907132222q6b3f2e78h3530754d497303df@mail.gmail.com>
	<70ed7c3e0907141508r5047d7adqd311f4955e4b0958@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <828fd6cc0907142130h5ae2c6c8hb342f40c1941347@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Majed:

  http://airlive.com/product/product_3.jsp?pdid=PD1217475816106 - supports 2 FXO

  We have hooked it actually directly into our analogue PBX, so from
any connected terminal you can dial an extension to ring the remote
office.

Regards,
--
Burhan Khalid

On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 1:08 AM, Majed B.<majedb at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello Burhan,
>
> Thanks a lot for the info. I've seen it on airlive's website as soon
> as you mentioned it, unfortunately that device has one FXO port (so
> one phone line only), where I need 2. Plus, it doesn't really act as a
> PBX as far as I understood the description.
>
> If I also understand what you described properly, you're hooking an
> analog phone that is connected to an extension in your company to this
> VoIP gateway from AirLive which hooks to an off-shore office
> (support?). Khurafi Business Machines also does this for their support
> line for Unix & pSeries machines (and perhaps other products).
>
> So I guess nothing out there fits my needs out of the box & I have to
> get Asterisk/Trixbox/Switchvox.
>
> Thank you for your help all :)
>
> I'll keep you posted should I proceed with this VoIP venture.
>
> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 8:22 AM, Burhan Khalid<burhan.khalid at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Majed:
>>
>> ?We use a "normal" phone that is hooked into a standard PBX. However,
>> all you need is a regular phone to get it going, as the device from
>> Airlive works with normal, analogue phones.
>>
>> ?What it does is, converts your analogue phone into a VoIP device,
>> and then provides both SIP and PTSN routes out -- but the real magic
>> of the system is, if you get two devices from Airlive that support
>> SIP, then you can use Airlive's free SIP server that is automatically
>> configured for both devices -- basically, its zero configuration on
>> your part. You plug both devices into the Internet, plug phones into
>> them, and then start making calls.
>>
>> ?The device: http://www.airlive.com/product/product_3.jsp?pdid=PD1217476135797
>> ?The free service:
>> http://www.airlive.com/press/press_m2_content.jsp?pmsid=PMS1218182941306&pmcid=PMC1206465271203
>>
>> Hope this helps,
>> --
>> Burhan
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 5:16 PM, Majed B.<majedb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Faisal,
>>> What is the difference between FreePBX and Trixbox? I admit that I
>>> didn't dig much, but I'd appreciate it if you explain the difference
>>> for me. I'll my digging at the end of this week since I'm busy with
>>> some reconstruction work at the moment.
>>> I know that FXO ports are those that you plug into the wall socket and
>>> FXS are for the analog phone devices.
>>>
>>> There's a reseller in Dubai for Digium. I'll compare their pricing to
>>> Amazon (+ Aramex) and see which fits.
>>>
>>>
>>> Burhan,
>>> That's great news! Any idea how much it costs? What about the phone
>>> devices that you use? How much do they cost?
>>>
>>> Thank you guys!
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Burhan Khalid<burhan.khalid at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Asterisk is great, but if you just want to get something running --
>>>> then AirLive has some great products and its the one we use here at
>>>> the office for a 'hack' VoIP connection. The best thing is they are
>>>> available in Kuwait.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 10:48 AM, <kuwait at q8net.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Its a normal PCI card that looks like an internal modem but with 4 RJ11
>>>>> sockets, the 4 RJ11 sockets are normally the small phone sockets we all
>>>>> know. I collected my card in NewYork but i see no reasons customs should
>>>>> give you any trouble, just tell them its a multi modem card. AFIC only
>>>>> trouble they might give you if you bring the digital E1 cards used in making
>>>>> Multi Digital PBX with hunting groups like the commercial 18xxxxx which you
>>>>> can also run it with Linux and Asterisk.
>>>>>
>>>>> ?Remember to buy the FXO/FXS modules, go with one FXO and one FXS so you can
>>>>> be familiar with it although i suggest you install Trixbox or Asterisk just
>>>>> to be familiar with Linux VoIP.
>>> --
>>> ? ? ? Majed B.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> General mailing list
>>> General at oskw.org
>>> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> General mailing list
>> General at oskw.org
>> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>>
>
>
>
> --
> ? ? ? Majed B.
>
> _______________________________________________
> General mailing list
> General at oskw.org
> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>



From burhan.khalid at gmail.com  Wed Jul 15 07:33:20 2009
From: burhan.khalid at gmail.com (Burhan Khalid)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 07:33:20 +0300
Subject: [General] Android LiveCD Available
Message-ID: <828fd6cc0907142133k9991fcdn301068bfc2f6f309@mail.gmail.com>

Hello & Good Morning:

  Android truly is becoming the next mobile OS platform with major
manufacturers (including Nokia, Sony Ericsson and Samsung) on board
(in addition to HTC). SE and Samsung have already announced devices
with Android and Nokia is rumored to be working on it as well.

  If you do not have a T-mobile G1 but still want to try out Android,
there is a LiveCD image available that will let you play with it on
your laptop (or in a virtual machine).

  More information: http://code.google.com/p/live-android/

Regards,
--
Burhan Khalid



From majedb at gmail.com  Wed Jul 15 07:51:44 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 07:51:44 +0300
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <828fd6cc0907142130h5ae2c6c8hb342f40c1941347@mail.gmail.com>
References: <70ed7c3e0907122323x73b143f3q97f2b2d77d2af551@mail.gmail.com> 
	<220734.56617.qm@web76103.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>
	<828fd6cc0907130303s2f2b6c31t6d54dcfadc0f48d0@mail.gmail.com> 
	<70ed7c3e0907130716y3b27aa7fy6381efdc7552eb9a@mail.gmail.com> 
	<828fd6cc0907132222q6b3f2e78h3530754d497303df@mail.gmail.com> 
	<70ed7c3e0907141508r5047d7adqd311f4955e4b0958@mail.gmail.com> 
	<828fd6cc0907142130h5ae2c6c8hb342f40c1941347@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <70ed7c3e0907142151x6719696n65b59a04de3927fb@mail.gmail.com>

Burhan,

That thing's specifications says: "SIP Server 	 Registrar Server
(three SIP account) " -- does this mean it supports 3 IP
phones/extensions only?!

It's weird that they keep emphasizing on the fact that the ports are
FXS & no mention of FXO. They do say that you can make 2 concurrent
calls, which makes the ports FXO!! o_O;

On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 7:30 AM, Burhan Khalid<burhan.khalid at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Majed:
>
> ?http://airlive.com/product/product_3.jsp?pdid=PD1217475816106 - supports 2 FXO
>
> ?We have hooked it actually directly into our analogue PBX, so from
> any connected terminal you can dial an extension to ring the remote
> office.
>
> Regards,
> --
> Burhan Khalid
>
> On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 1:08 AM, Majed B.<majedb at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hello Burhan,
>>
>> Thanks a lot for the info. I've seen it on airlive's website as soon
>> as you mentioned it, unfortunately that device has one FXO port (so
>> one phone line only), where I need 2. Plus, it doesn't really act as a
>> PBX as far as I understood the description.
>>
>> If I also understand what you described properly, you're hooking an
>> analog phone that is connected to an extension in your company to this
>> VoIP gateway from AirLive which hooks to an off-shore office
>> (support?). Khurafi Business Machines also does this for their support
>> line for Unix & pSeries machines (and perhaps other products).
>>
>> So I guess nothing out there fits my needs out of the box & I have to
>> get Asterisk/Trixbox/Switchvox.
>>
>> Thank you for your help all :)
>>
>> I'll keep you posted should I proceed with this VoIP venture.
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 8:22 AM, Burhan Khalid<burhan.khalid at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi Majed:
>>>
>>> ?We use a "normal" phone that is hooked into a standard PBX. However,
>>> all you need is a regular phone to get it going, as the device from
>>> Airlive works with normal, analogue phones.
>>>
>>> ?What it does is, converts your analogue phone into a VoIP device,
>>> and then provides both SIP and PTSN routes out -- but the real magic
>>> of the system is, if you get two devices from Airlive that support
>>> SIP, then you can use Airlive's free SIP server that is automatically
>>> configured for both devices -- basically, its zero configuration on
>>> your part. You plug both devices into the Internet, plug phones into
>>> them, and then start making calls.
>>>
>>> ?The device: http://www.airlive.com/product/product_3.jsp?pdid=PD1217476135797
>>> ?The free service:
>>> http://www.airlive.com/press/press_m2_content.jsp?pmsid=PMS1218182941306&pmcid=PMC1206465271203
>>>
>>> Hope this helps,
>>> --
>>> Burhan
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 5:16 PM, Majed B.<majedb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Faisal,
>>>> What is the difference between FreePBX and Trixbox? I admit that I
>>>> didn't dig much, but I'd appreciate it if you explain the difference
>>>> for me. I'll my digging at the end of this week since I'm busy with
>>>> some reconstruction work at the moment.
>>>> I know that FXO ports are those that you plug into the wall socket and
>>>> FXS are for the analog phone devices.
>>>>
>>>> There's a reseller in Dubai for Digium. I'll compare their pricing to
>>>> Amazon (+ Aramex) and see which fits.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Burhan,
>>>> That's great news! Any idea how much it costs? What about the phone
>>>> devices that you use? How much do they cost?
>>>>
>>>> Thank you guys!
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Burhan Khalid<burhan.khalid at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Asterisk is great, but if you just want to get something running --
>>>>> then AirLive has some great products and its the one we use here at
>>>>> the office for a 'hack' VoIP connection. The best thing is they are
>>>>> available in Kuwait.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 10:48 AM, <kuwait at q8net.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Its a normal PCI card that looks like an internal modem but with 4 RJ11
>>>>>> sockets, the 4 RJ11 sockets are normally the small phone sockets we all
>>>>>> know. I collected my card in NewYork but i see no reasons customs should
>>>>>> give you any trouble, just tell them its a multi modem card. AFIC only
>>>>>> trouble they might give you if you bring the digital E1 cards used in making
>>>>>> Multi Digital PBX with hunting groups like the commercial 18xxxxx which you
>>>>>> can also run it with Linux and Asterisk.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ?Remember to buy the FXO/FXS modules, go with one FXO and one FXS so you can
>>>>>> be familiar with it although i suggest you install Trixbox or Asterisk just
>>>>>> to be familiar with Linux VoIP.
>>>> --
>>>> ? ? ? Majed B.
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> General mailing list
>>>> General at oskw.org
>>>> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> General mailing list
>>> General at oskw.org
>>> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> ? ? ? Majed B.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> General mailing list
>> General at oskw.org
>> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> General mailing list
> General at oskw.org
> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>



-- 
       Majed B.



From majedb at gmail.com  Wed Jul 15 07:53:35 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 07:53:35 +0300
Subject: [General] Android LiveCD Available
In-Reply-To: <828fd6cc0907142133k9991fcdn301068bfc2f6f309@mail.gmail.com>
References: <828fd6cc0907142133k9991fcdn301068bfc2f6f309@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <70ed7c3e0907142153h13d98af9obd68b2695e3bbc44@mail.gmail.com>

Is this running G1's old OS (1.0)? Or Cupcake (1.5)?

This is freaking awesome!!!

Thanks for sharing!

On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 7:33 AM, Burhan Khalid<burhan.khalid at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello & Good Morning:
>
> ?Android truly is becoming the next mobile OS platform with major
> manufacturers (including Nokia, Sony Ericsson and Samsung) on board
> (in addition to HTC). SE and Samsung have already announced devices
> with Android and Nokia is rumored to be working on it as well.
>
> ?If you do not have a T-mobile G1 but still want to try out Android,
> there is a LiveCD image available that will let you play with it on
> your laptop (or in a virtual machine).
>
> ?More information: http://code.google.com/p/live-android/
>
> Regards,
> --
> Burhan Khalid
>
> _______________________________________________
> General mailing list
> General at oskw.org
> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>



-- 
       Majed B.



From majedb at gmail.com  Wed Jul 15 08:03:51 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 08:03:51 +0300
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <70ed7c3e0907142151x6719696n65b59a04de3927fb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <70ed7c3e0907122323x73b143f3q97f2b2d77d2af551@mail.gmail.com> 
	<220734.56617.qm@web76103.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>
	<828fd6cc0907130303s2f2b6c31t6d54dcfadc0f48d0@mail.gmail.com> 
	<70ed7c3e0907130716y3b27aa7fy6381efdc7552eb9a@mail.gmail.com> 
	<828fd6cc0907132222q6b3f2e78h3530754d497303df@mail.gmail.com> 
	<70ed7c3e0907141508r5047d7adqd311f4955e4b0958@mail.gmail.com> 
	<828fd6cc0907142130h5ae2c6c8hb342f40c1941347@mail.gmail.com> 
	<70ed7c3e0907142151x6719696n65b59a04de3927fb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <70ed7c3e0907142203l3ffa2230v6b3799d9e606bdce@mail.gmail.com>

Burhan,

I downloaded 120A's manual and here's what it says in the introduction:

"This user?s manual is for VoIP-111A (1PSTN+1Phone) / VoIP-120A
(2Phone) VoIP terminal adapter
ATA). This user?s manual will explain the IVR instruction, web
configuration, and command line..."

o_O;

On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 7:51 AM, Majed B.<majedb at gmail.com> wrote:
> Burhan,
>
> That thing's specifications says: "SIP Server ? ?Registrar Server
> (three SIP account) " -- does this mean it supports 3 IP
> phones/extensions only?!
>
> It's weird that they keep emphasizing on the fact that the ports are
> FXS & no mention of FXO. They do say that you can make 2 concurrent
> calls, which makes the ports FXO!! o_O;
>
> On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 7:30 AM, Burhan Khalid<burhan.khalid at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Majed:
>>
>> ?http://airlive.com/product/product_3.jsp?pdid=PD1217475816106 - supports 2 FXO
>>
>> ?We have hooked it actually directly into our analogue PBX, so from
>> any connected terminal you can dial an extension to ring the remote
>> office.
>>
>> Regards,
>> --
>> Burhan Khalid
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 1:08 AM, Majed B.<majedb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hello Burhan,
>>>
>>> Thanks a lot for the info. I've seen it on airlive's website as soon
>>> as you mentioned it, unfortunately that device has one FXO port (so
>>> one phone line only), where I need 2. Plus, it doesn't really act as a
>>> PBX as far as I understood the description.
>>>
>>> If I also understand what you described properly, you're hooking an
>>> analog phone that is connected to an extension in your company to this
>>> VoIP gateway from AirLive which hooks to an off-shore office
>>> (support?). Khurafi Business Machines also does this for their support
>>> line for Unix & pSeries machines (and perhaps other products).
>>>
>>> So I guess nothing out there fits my needs out of the box & I have to
>>> get Asterisk/Trixbox/Switchvox.
>>>
>>> Thank you for your help all :)
>>>
>>> I'll keep you posted should I proceed with this VoIP venture.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 8:22 AM, Burhan Khalid<burhan.khalid at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi Majed:
>>>>
>>>> ?We use a "normal" phone that is hooked into a standard PBX. However,
>>>> all you need is a regular phone to get it going, as the device from
>>>> Airlive works with normal, analogue phones.
>>>>
>>>> ?What it does is, converts your analogue phone into a VoIP device,
>>>> and then provides both SIP and PTSN routes out -- but the real magic
>>>> of the system is, if you get two devices from Airlive that support
>>>> SIP, then you can use Airlive's free SIP server that is automatically
>>>> configured for both devices -- basically, its zero configuration on
>>>> your part. You plug both devices into the Internet, plug phones into
>>>> them, and then start making calls.
>>>>
>>>> ?The device: http://www.airlive.com/product/product_3.jsp?pdid=PD1217476135797
>>>> ?The free service:
>>>> http://www.airlive.com/press/press_m2_content.jsp?pmsid=PMS1218182941306&pmcid=PMC1206465271203
>>>>
>>>> Hope this helps,
>>>> --
>>>> Burhan
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 5:16 PM, Majed B.<majedb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Faisal,
>>>>> What is the difference between FreePBX and Trixbox? I admit that I
>>>>> didn't dig much, but I'd appreciate it if you explain the difference
>>>>> for me. I'll my digging at the end of this week since I'm busy with
>>>>> some reconstruction work at the moment.
>>>>> I know that FXO ports are those that you plug into the wall socket and
>>>>> FXS are for the analog phone devices.
>>>>>
>>>>> There's a reseller in Dubai for Digium. I'll compare their pricing to
>>>>> Amazon (+ Aramex) and see which fits.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Burhan,
>>>>> That's great news! Any idea how much it costs? What about the phone
>>>>> devices that you use? How much do they cost?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you guys!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Burhan Khalid<burhan.khalid at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Asterisk is great, but if you just want to get something running --
>>>>>> then AirLive has some great products and its the one we use here at
>>>>>> the office for a 'hack' VoIP connection. The best thing is they are
>>>>>> available in Kuwait.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 10:48 AM, <kuwait at q8net.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Its a normal PCI card that looks like an internal modem but with 4 RJ11
>>>>>>> sockets, the 4 RJ11 sockets are normally the small phone sockets we all
>>>>>>> know. I collected my card in NewYork but i see no reasons customs should
>>>>>>> give you any trouble, just tell them its a multi modem card. AFIC only
>>>>>>> trouble they might give you if you bring the digital E1 cards used in making
>>>>>>> Multi Digital PBX with hunting groups like the commercial 18xxxxx which you
>>>>>>> can also run it with Linux and Asterisk.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ?Remember to buy the FXO/FXS modules, go with one FXO and one FXS so you can
>>>>>>> be familiar with it although i suggest you install Trixbox or Asterisk just
>>>>>>> to be familiar with Linux VoIP.
>>>>> --
>>>>> ? ? ? Majed B.
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> General mailing list
>>>>> General at oskw.org
>>>>> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> General mailing list
>>>> General at oskw.org
>>>> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> ? ? ? Majed B.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> General mailing list
>>> General at oskw.org
>>> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> General mailing list
>> General at oskw.org
>> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>>
>
>
>
> --
> ? ? ? Majed B.
>



-- 
       Majed B.



From burhan.khalid at gmail.com  Wed Jul 15 09:14:13 2009
From: burhan.khalid at gmail.com (Burhan Khalid)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 09:14:13 +0300
Subject: [General] Android LiveCD Available
In-Reply-To: <70ed7c3e0907142153h13d98af9obd68b2695e3bbc44@mail.gmail.com>
References: <828fd6cc0907142133k9991fcdn301068bfc2f6f309@mail.gmail.com>
	<70ed7c3e0907142153h13d98af9obd68b2695e3bbc44@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <828fd6cc0907142314l2b9e7dau15388f9171ea1ba3@mail.gmail.com>

Cupcake.

On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 7:53 AM, Majed B.<majedb at gmail.com> wrote:
> Is this running G1's old OS (1.0)? Or Cupcake (1.5)?
>
> This is freaking awesome!!!
>
> Thanks for sharing!
>
> On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 7:33 AM, Burhan Khalid<burhan.khalid at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hello & Good Morning:
>>
>> ?Android truly is becoming the next mobile OS platform with major
>> manufacturers (including Nokia, Sony Ericsson and Samsung) on board
>> (in addition to HTC). SE and Samsung have already announced devices
>> with Android and Nokia is rumored to be working on it as well.
>>
>> ?If you do not have a T-mobile G1 but still want to try out Android,
>> there is a LiveCD image available that will let you play with it on
>> your laptop (or in a virtual machine).
>>
>> ?More information: http://code.google.com/p/live-android/
>>
>> Regards,
>> --
>> Burhan Khalid
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> General mailing list
>> General at oskw.org
>> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>>
>
>
>
> --
> ? ? ? Majed B.
>
> _______________________________________________
> General mailing list
> General at oskw.org
> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>



From burhan.khalid at gmail.com  Wed Jul 15 09:15:45 2009
From: burhan.khalid at gmail.com (Burhan Khalid)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 09:15:45 +0300
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <70ed7c3e0907142203l3ffa2230v6b3799d9e606bdce@mail.gmail.com>
References: <70ed7c3e0907122323x73b143f3q97f2b2d77d2af551@mail.gmail.com>
	<220734.56617.qm@web76103.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>
	<828fd6cc0907130303s2f2b6c31t6d54dcfadc0f48d0@mail.gmail.com>
	<70ed7c3e0907130716y3b27aa7fy6381efdc7552eb9a@mail.gmail.com>
	<828fd6cc0907132222q6b3f2e78h3530754d497303df@mail.gmail.com>
	<70ed7c3e0907141508r5047d7adqd311f4955e4b0958@mail.gmail.com>
	<828fd6cc0907142130h5ae2c6c8hb342f40c1941347@mail.gmail.com>
	<70ed7c3e0907142151x6719696n65b59a04de3927fb@mail.gmail.com>
	<70ed7c3e0907142203l3ffa2230v6b3799d9e606bdce@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <828fd6cc0907142315xad48b10kce3113ae397ce0d3@mail.gmail.com>

Hrmm, odd. Better to call the guys from Gulfgate (who are Airlive's
distri) in Kuwait. They know what they are doing (not just box
pushers).

You can also try Cameo Computers -- they have Airlive's products as well.

On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 8:03 AM, Majed B.<majedb at gmail.com> wrote:
> Burhan,
>
> I downloaded 120A's manual and here's what it says in the introduction:
>
> "This user?s manual is for VoIP-111A (1PSTN+1Phone) / VoIP-120A
> (2Phone) VoIP terminal adapter
> ATA). This user?s manual will explain the IVR instruction, web
> configuration, and command line..."
>
> o_O;
>
> On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 7:51 AM, Majed B.<majedb at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Burhan,
>>
>> That thing's specifications says: "SIP Server ? ?Registrar Server
>> (three SIP account) " -- does this mean it supports 3 IP
>> phones/extensions only?!
>>
>> It's weird that they keep emphasizing on the fact that the ports are
>> FXS & no mention of FXO. They do say that you can make 2 concurrent
>> calls, which makes the ports FXO!! o_O;
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 7:30 AM, Burhan Khalid<burhan.khalid at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi Majed:
>>>
>>> ?http://airlive.com/product/product_3.jsp?pdid=PD1217475816106 - supports 2 FXO
>>>
>>> ?We have hooked it actually directly into our analogue PBX, so from
>>> any connected terminal you can dial an extension to ring the remote
>>> office.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> --
>>> Burhan Khalid
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 1:08 AM, Majed B.<majedb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hello Burhan,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks a lot for the info. I've seen it on airlive's website as soon
>>>> as you mentioned it, unfortunately that device has one FXO port (so
>>>> one phone line only), where I need 2. Plus, it doesn't really act as a
>>>> PBX as far as I understood the description.
>>>>
>>>> If I also understand what you described properly, you're hooking an
>>>> analog phone that is connected to an extension in your company to this
>>>> VoIP gateway from AirLive which hooks to an off-shore office
>>>> (support?). Khurafi Business Machines also does this for their support
>>>> line for Unix & pSeries machines (and perhaps other products).
>>>>
>>>> So I guess nothing out there fits my needs out of the box & I have to
>>>> get Asterisk/Trixbox/Switchvox.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for your help all :)
>>>>
>>>> I'll keep you posted should I proceed with this VoIP venture.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 8:22 AM, Burhan Khalid<burhan.khalid at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Majed:
>>>>>
>>>>> ?We use a "normal" phone that is hooked into a standard PBX. However,
>>>>> all you need is a regular phone to get it going, as the device from
>>>>> Airlive works with normal, analogue phones.
>>>>>
>>>>> ?What it does is, converts your analogue phone into a VoIP device,
>>>>> and then provides both SIP and PTSN routes out -- but the real magic
>>>>> of the system is, if you get two devices from Airlive that support
>>>>> SIP, then you can use Airlive's free SIP server that is automatically
>>>>> configured for both devices -- basically, its zero configuration on
>>>>> your part. You plug both devices into the Internet, plug phones into
>>>>> them, and then start making calls.
>>>>>
>>>>> ?The device: http://www.airlive.com/product/product_3.jsp?pdid=PD1217476135797
>>>>> ?The free service:
>>>>> http://www.airlive.com/press/press_m2_content.jsp?pmsid=PMS1218182941306&pmcid=PMC1206465271203
>>>>>
>>>>> Hope this helps,
>>>>> --
>>>>> Burhan
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 5:16 PM, Majed B.<majedb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Faisal,
>>>>>> What is the difference between FreePBX and Trixbox? I admit that I
>>>>>> didn't dig much, but I'd appreciate it if you explain the difference
>>>>>> for me. I'll my digging at the end of this week since I'm busy with
>>>>>> some reconstruction work at the moment.
>>>>>> I know that FXO ports are those that you plug into the wall socket and
>>>>>> FXS are for the analog phone devices.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There's a reseller in Dubai for Digium. I'll compare their pricing to
>>>>>> Amazon (+ Aramex) and see which fits.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Burhan,
>>>>>> That's great news! Any idea how much it costs? What about the phone
>>>>>> devices that you use? How much do they cost?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you guys!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Burhan Khalid<burhan.khalid at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Asterisk is great, but if you just want to get something running --
>>>>>>> then AirLive has some great products and its the one we use here at
>>>>>>> the office for a 'hack' VoIP connection. The best thing is they are
>>>>>>> available in Kuwait.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 10:48 AM, <kuwait at q8net.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Its a normal PCI card that looks like an internal modem but with 4 RJ11
>>>>>>>> sockets, the 4 RJ11 sockets are normally the small phone sockets we all
>>>>>>>> know. I collected my card in NewYork but i see no reasons customs should
>>>>>>>> give you any trouble, just tell them its a multi modem card. AFIC only
>>>>>>>> trouble they might give you if you bring the digital E1 cards used in making
>>>>>>>> Multi Digital PBX with hunting groups like the commercial 18xxxxx which you
>>>>>>>> can also run it with Linux and Asterisk.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ?Remember to buy the FXO/FXS modules, go with one FXO and one FXS so you can
>>>>>>>> be familiar with it although i suggest you install Trixbox or Asterisk just
>>>>>>>> to be familiar with Linux VoIP.
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> ? ? ? Majed B.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> General mailing list
>>>>>> General at oskw.org
>>>>>> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> General mailing list
>>>>> General at oskw.org
>>>>> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> ? ? ? Majed B.
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> General mailing list
>>>> General at oskw.org
>>>> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> General mailing list
>>> General at oskw.org
>>> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> ? ? ? Majed B.
>>
>
>
>
> --
> ? ? ? Majed B.
>
> _______________________________________________
> General mailing list
> General at oskw.org
> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>



From burhan.khalid at gmail.com  Wed Jul 15 09:29:53 2009
From: burhan.khalid at gmail.com (Burhan Khalid)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 09:29:53 +0300
Subject: [General] Microsoft Maren
Message-ID: <828fd6cc0907142329v7393c602yb91ad756b0793275@mail.gmail.com>

Not strictly open source, but Maren (
http://www.microsoft.com/middleeast/egypt/cmic/maren/ ) does
translation of 'Arabish' to proper Arabic for most Windows apps.
Thought would be useful to some.



From bashar.abdullah at gmail.com  Wed Jul 15 12:33:02 2009
From: bashar.abdullah at gmail.com (bashar abdullah)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 12:33:02 +0300
Subject: [General] Android LiveCD Available
In-Reply-To: <828fd6cc0907142133k9991fcdn301068bfc2f6f309@mail.gmail.com>
References: <828fd6cc0907142133k9991fcdn301068bfc2f6f309@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <862afa530907150233n81881fawa2bf8eb1f64c585d@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks

On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 7:33 AM, Burhan Khalid <burhan.khalid at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hello & Good Morning:
>
>  Android truly is becoming the next mobile OS platform with major
> manufacturers (including Nokia, Sony Ericsson and Samsung) on board
> (in addition to HTC). SE and Samsung have already announced devices
> with Android and Nokia is rumored to be working on it as well.
>
>  If you do not have a T-mobile G1 but still want to try out Android,
> there is a LiveCD image available that will let you play with it on
> your laptop (or in a virtual machine).
>
>  More information: http://code.google.com/p/live-android/
>
> Regards,
> --
> Burhan Khalid
>
> _______________________________________________
> General mailing list
> General at oskw.org
> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>
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From talal at alawadhi.com  Wed Jul 15 19:35:54 2009
From: talal at alawadhi.com (Talal Al Awadhi)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 19:35:54 +0300
Subject: [General] Microsoft Maren
In-Reply-To: <828fd6cc0907142329v7393c602yb91ad756b0793275@mail.gmail.com>
References: <828fd6cc0907142329v7393c602yb91ad756b0793275@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A5E056A.9030008@alawadhi.com>

How about contributing to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabish ?

There is some good information, but it needs some rephrasing into a 
better way of explaining Arabish. And how it started. And if there is 
some good articles online about it. Or famous websites that uses Arabish.

If we don't do it, no one will.

PS: If you contribute, respond to the email so we monitor how much we 
have contributed to it for future reference.

Best regards,

Burhan Khalid wrote:
> Not strictly open source, but Maren (
> http://www.microsoft.com/middleeast/egypt/cmic/maren/ ) does
> translation of 'Arabish' to proper Arabic for most Windows apps.
> Thought would be useful to some.
>
> _______________________________________________
> General mailing list
> General at oskw.org
> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>
>   




From burhan.khalid at gmail.com  Sun Jul 19 12:23:55 2009
From: burhan.khalid at gmail.com (Burhan Khalid)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 12:23:55 +0300
Subject: [General] OT : Looking for Programmers
Message-ID: <828fd6cc0907190223l35278316uc4bd5cb87802eced@mail.gmail.com>

All:

  If anyone knows of ASP.NET C# developers with 1 - 2 years experience,
please forward their resume's to my email. Local is preferred, but if
required, we can bring in the right person from outside.

Thanks, and appologies if this is OT.

--
Burhan Khalid
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From bashar at kuwaitnet.net  Tue Jul 21 01:27:16 2009
From: bashar at kuwaitnet.net (Bashar Al-Abdulhadi)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 01:27:16 +0300
Subject: [General] Kingston unveils 256GB thumb drive for well-heeled memory
	fiends
Message-ID: <4A64EF44.7030203@kuwaitnet.net>

http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/kingston-unveils-256gb-thumb-drive-for-well-heeled-memory-fiends/


too soon with their recent 128gb one came out few months back !

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From majedb at gmail.com  Tue Jul 21 23:32:22 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 23:32:22 +0300
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <828fd6cc0907142315xad48b10kce3113ae397ce0d3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <70ed7c3e0907122323x73b143f3q97f2b2d77d2af551@mail.gmail.com> 
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	<828fd6cc0907142130h5ae2c6c8hb342f40c1941347@mail.gmail.com> 
	<70ed7c3e0907142151x6719696n65b59a04de3927fb@mail.gmail.com> 
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Hello all!

I didn't find something quick and easy to do the task for me, for a
reasonable price, and as luck has it, a friend was in Malaysia, and he
got me a Digium card!

I'm installing TrixBox as I type this email and will keep you posted
on the updates :D
-- 
       Majed B.



From bashar at kuwaitnet.net  Wed Jul 22 21:22:41 2009
From: bashar at kuwaitnet.net (Bashar Al-Abdulhadi)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 21:22:41 +0300
Subject: [General] =?utf-8?b?2YXYp9mK2YPYsdmI2LPZiNmB2Kog2KrYt9mE2YIg2YU=?=
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Message-ID: <4A6758F1.7090703@kuwaitnet.net>

http://itwadi.com/node/1135


for Teachers who uses moodle now they have an option to use microsoft 
live services ironically opensourced from microsoft!

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From bashar at kuwaitnet.net  Wed Jul 22 21:34:04 2009
From: bashar at kuwaitnet.net (Bashar Al-Abdulhadi)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 21:34:04 +0300
Subject: [General] =?utf-8?b?2YXYp9mK2YPYsdmI2LPZiNmB2Kog2KrYs9in2YfZhSA=?=
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Message-ID: <4A675B9C.4050007@kuwaitnet.net>

http://itwadi.com/node/1133

http://lwn.net/Articles/342304/


another ironic MS news for the weekend :D


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From majedb at gmail.com  Thu Jul 23 12:32:52 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 12:32:52 +0300
Subject: [General]
	=?utf-8?b?2YXYp9mK2YPYsdmI2LPZiNmB2Kog2KrYs9in2YfZhSA=?=
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	=?utf-8?q?-V_drivers_for_Linux?=
In-Reply-To: <4A675B9C.4050007@kuwaitnet.net>
References: <4A675B9C.4050007@kuwaitnet.net>
Message-ID: <70ed7c3e0907230232n544b1535x6715fab093413914@mail.gmail.com>

I'm not surprised they contributed, because they want to lure
customers who want to run Linux.

However, I am quite surprised that they actually made the code
available under GPLv2!!! It must have taken a lot of effort to achieve
that!!

>
> http://itwadi.com/node/1133
>
> http://lwn.net/Articles/342304/
>
>
> another ironic MS news for the weekend :D
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> General mailing list
> General at oskw.org
> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>



--
? ? ? Majed B.



From burhan.khalid at gmail.com  Thu Jul 23 16:08:03 2009
From: burhan.khalid at gmail.com (Burhan Khalid)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 16:08:03 +0300
Subject: [General]
	=?utf-8?b?2YXYp9mK2YPYsdmI2LPZiNmB2Kog2KrYs9in2YfZhSA=?=
	=?utf-8?b?2YHZiiDZhtmI2KfYqSDZhNmK2YbZg9izIHwgTWljcm9zb2Z0IEh5cGVy?=
	=?utf-8?q?-V_drivers_for_Linux?=
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References: <4A675B9C.4050007@kuwaitnet.net>
	<70ed7c3e0907230232n544b1535x6715fab093413914@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <828fd6cc0907230608i4879a81eq7ac33fe02b8cf91@mail.gmail.com>

Actually they did it to advance their Hyper-V virtualization platform,
because that's one area where they have absolutely no traction in the
market.

2009/7/23 Majed B. <majedb at gmail.com>

> I'm not surprised they contributed, because they want to lure
> customers who want to run Linux.
>
> However, I am quite surprised that they actually made the code
> available under GPLv2!!! It must have taken a lot of effort to achieve
> that!!
>
> >
> > http://itwadi.com/node/1133
> >
> > http://lwn.net/Articles/342304/
> >
> >
> > another ironic MS news for the weekend :D
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > General mailing list
> > General at oskw.org
> > http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
> >
>
>
>
> --
>       Majed B.
>
> _______________________________________________
> General mailing list
> General at oskw.org
> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
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From majedb at gmail.com  Thu Jul 23 16:11:09 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 16:11:09 +0300
Subject: [General]
	=?utf-8?b?2YXYp9mK2YPYsdmI2LPZiNmB2Kog2KrYs9in2YfZhSA=?=
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References: <4A675B9C.4050007@kuwaitnet.net>
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	<828fd6cc0907230608i4879a81eq7ac33fe02b8cf91@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <70ed7c3e0907230611n6336a2b5g13d747d1e01860ad@mail.gmail.com>

Yeah that figures .. with their usual attitude of take what we give
you only, they had restricted customers to Windows-only
virtualization. That's lame.

2009/7/23 Burhan Khalid <burhan.khalid at gmail.com>:
> Actually they did it to advance their Hyper-V virtualization platform,
> because that's one area where they have absolutely no traction in the
> market.
>
> 2009/7/23 Majed B. <majedb at gmail.com>
>>
>> I'm not surprised they contributed, because they want to lure
>> customers who want to run Linux.
>>
>> However, I am quite surprised that they actually made the code
>> available under GPLv2!!! It must have taken a lot of effort to achieve
>> that!!
>>
>> >
>> > http://itwadi.com/node/1133
>> >
>> > http://lwn.net/Articles/342304/
>> >
>> >
>> > another ironic MS news for the weekend :D
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > General mailing list
>> > General at oskw.org
>> > http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> ? ? ? Majed B.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> General mailing list
>> General at oskw.org
>> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> General mailing list
> General at oskw.org
> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>
>



-- 
       Majed B.



From bashar at kuwaitnet.net  Thu Jul 23 19:40:15 2009
From: bashar at kuwaitnet.net (Bashar Al-Abdulhadi)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 19:40:15 +0300
Subject: [General]
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Majed B. wrote, On 07/23/2009 12:32 PM:

> I'm not surprised they contributed, because they want to lure
> customers who want to run Linux.
>   
infact its a benefit for them too to make sure it hosts linux without bugs!
> However, I am quite surprised that they actually made the code
> available under GPLv2!!! It must have taken a lot of effort to achieve
> that!!
>   
yeah especially once upon a time they were fighting and spreading how 
its dangerous!

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From bashar at kuwaitnet.net  Thu Jul 23 19:55:24 2009
From: bashar at kuwaitnet.net (Bashar Al-Abdulhadi)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 19:55:24 +0300
Subject: [General] AnandTech: Intel's 34nm SSD Preview: Cheaper and Faster?
Message-ID: <4A6895FC.80609@kuwaitnet.net>

for SSD lovers this is Faster and cheaper !

http://anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3605


from personal experience there is noway you can compare SSD to HD , 
especially when it comes to booting time!

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From majedb at gmail.com  Fri Jul 24 02:05:53 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 02:05:53 +0300
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <70ed7c3e0907211332j5c7d50mcc1a08da7f009ba0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <70ed7c3e0907122323x73b143f3q97f2b2d77d2af551@mail.gmail.com> 
	<828fd6cc0907130303s2f2b6c31t6d54dcfadc0f48d0@mail.gmail.com> 
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	<70ed7c3e0907141508r5047d7adqd311f4955e4b0958@mail.gmail.com> 
	<828fd6cc0907142130h5ae2c6c8hb342f40c1941347@mail.gmail.com> 
	<70ed7c3e0907142151x6719696n65b59a04de3927fb@mail.gmail.com> 
	<70ed7c3e0907142203l3ffa2230v6b3799d9e606bdce@mail.gmail.com> 
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	<70ed7c3e0907211332j5c7d50mcc1a08da7f009ba0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <70ed7c3e0907231605k44c8ce40m9f4bfee0977b41d7@mail.gmail.com>

Howdy people!

I have great news! I got trixbox (an Asterisk distro) to finally work!
I had issues in making it work with the landline, then issues in
receiving caller ID info, but everything is working now.

I'll be posting the information in my blog soon, so I'll post you guys
the link when I'm done :D

So far, I got phone calls working between extensions over the network
(laptops -- as no IP phones around, yet), voicemail to email,
call/receive calls from a landline/PSTN/POTS -- which is basically
what I want, for now.

There's an IVR and a few more wicked stuff which I might dig into later on.

On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 11:32 PM, Majed B.<majedb at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello all!
>
> I didn't find something quick and easy to do the task for me, for a
> reasonable price, and as luck has it, a friend was in Malaysia, and he
> got me a Digium card!
>
> I'm installing TrixBox as I type this email and will keep you posted
> on the updates :D
> --
> ? ? ? Majed B.
>



-- 
       Majed B.



From bashar at kuwaitnet.net  Fri Jul 24 02:34:51 2009
From: bashar at kuwaitnet.net (Bashar Al-Abdulhadi)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 02:34:51 +0300
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <70ed7c3e0907231605k44c8ce40m9f4bfee0977b41d7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <70ed7c3e0907122323x73b143f3q97f2b2d77d2af551@mail.gmail.com>
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	<70ed7c3e0907130716y3b27aa7fy6381efdc7552eb9a@mail.gmail.com>
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	<70ed7c3e0907231605k44c8ce40m9f4bfee0977b41d7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A68F39B.3040304@kuwaitnet.net>

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From majedb at gmail.com  Fri Jul 24 02:44:43 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 02:44:43 +0300
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <4A68F39B.3040304@kuwaitnet.net>
References: <70ed7c3e0907122323x73b143f3q97f2b2d77d2af551@mail.gmail.com> 
	<828fd6cc0907132222q6b3f2e78h3530754d497303df@mail.gmail.com> 
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	<828fd6cc0907142130h5ae2c6c8hb342f40c1941347@mail.gmail.com> 
	<70ed7c3e0907142151x6719696n65b59a04de3927fb@mail.gmail.com> 
	<70ed7c3e0907142203l3ffa2230v6b3799d9e606bdce@mail.gmail.com> 
	<828fd6cc0907142315xad48b10kce3113ae397ce0d3@mail.gmail.com> 
	<70ed7c3e0907211332j5c7d50mcc1a08da7f009ba0@mail.gmail.com> 
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Bashar,

I see that your provider had locked you in! I'm using Ekiga on Linux
for now to test out stuff. So far so good!

Why not change your provider? FreePBX provide VoIP solutions quite cheap.
-- 
       Majed B.



From bashar at kuwaitnet.net  Fri Jul 24 03:06:35 2009
From: bashar at kuwaitnet.net (Bashar Al-Abdulhadi)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 03:06:35 +0300
Subject: [General] Official Google Blog: Introducing the Google Chrome OS
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From bashar at kuwaitnet.net  Fri Jul 24 03:18:28 2009
From: bashar at kuwaitnet.net (Bashar Al-Abdulhadi)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 03:18:28 +0300
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
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	<70ed7c3e0907141508r5047d7adqd311f4955e4b0958@mail.gmail.com>
	<828fd6cc0907142130h5ae2c6c8hb342f40c1941347@mail.gmail.com>
	<70ed7c3e0907142151x6719696n65b59a04de3927fb@mail.gmail.com>
	<70ed7c3e0907142203l3ffa2230v6b3799d9e606bdce@mail.gmail.com>
	<828fd6cc0907142315xad48b10kce3113ae397ce0d3@mail.gmail.com>
	<70ed7c3e0907211332j5c7d50mcc1a08da7f009ba0@mail.gmail.com>
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my provider links my offices on our 1807060 so i can't change it _yet_ 
as i heard others might be offering some solutions like this in kuwait 
soon (hosted IP telephony services)



Majed B. wrote, On 07/24/2009 02:44 AM:

> Bashar,
>
> I see that your provider had locked you in! I'm using Ekiga on Linux
> for now to test out stuff. So far so good!
>
> Why not change your provider? FreePBX provide VoIP solutions quite cheap.
>   
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From majedb at gmail.com  Fri Jul 24 04:47:53 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 04:47:53 +0300
Subject: [General] Official Google Blog: Introducing the Google Chrome OS
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References: <4A54BDB0.3020101@kuwaitnet.net>
	<862afa530907080904m352df1fej2e0943f02f1def67@mail.gmail.com> 
	<70ed7c3e0907081152j2874d324vfc14ddfbc12c4eb0@mail.gmail.com> 
	<828fd6cc0907081948n3c690678yc3cb61773adc9187@mail.gmail.com> 
	<862afa530907090108udf9ff0cha9390c675433124d@mail.gmail.com> 
	<70ed7c3e0907090209h35dd48behbecbdbd61a55ab4c@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4A562978.5030701@kuwaitnet.net> <4A68FB0B.1060209@kuwaitnet.net>
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I actually laughed out loud! Thanks for sharing :D

On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 3:06 AM, Bashar
Al-Abdulhadi<bashar at kuwaitnet.net> wrote:
> found this on a blog:
>
>
> LOL !
>
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       Majed B.



From majedb at gmail.com  Fri Jul 24 04:50:20 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 04:50:20 +0300
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <4A68FDD4.6030208@kuwaitnet.net>
References: <70ed7c3e0907122323x73b143f3q97f2b2d77d2af551@mail.gmail.com> 
	<828fd6cc0907142130h5ae2c6c8hb342f40c1941347@mail.gmail.com> 
	<70ed7c3e0907142151x6719696n65b59a04de3927fb@mail.gmail.com> 
	<70ed7c3e0907142203l3ffa2230v6b3799d9e606bdce@mail.gmail.com> 
	<828fd6cc0907142315xad48b10kce3113ae397ce0d3@mail.gmail.com> 
	<70ed7c3e0907211332j5c7d50mcc1a08da7f009ba0@mail.gmail.com> 
	<70ed7c3e0907231605k44c8ce40m9f4bfee0977b41d7@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4A68F39B.3040304@kuwaitnet.net>
	<70ed7c3e0907231644p6a6febe4k69c517ceaa893a06@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4A68FDD4.6030208@kuwaitnet.net>
Message-ID: <70ed7c3e0907231850y1b6a1cecpf381e6e3aea24f03@mail.gmail.com>

Either behind the MOC's back, or you'll end up paying the MOC a good
chunk of cash for using VoIP!

Keep us posted on how that goes!

If it's OK to share the info, can you shed light on how you're hooking
your offices together?

On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 3:18 AM, Bashar
Al-Abdulhadi<bashar at kuwaitnet.net> wrote:
> my provider links my offices on our 1807060 so i can't change it _yet_ as i
> heard others might be offering some solutions like this in kuwait soon
> (hosted IP telephony services)
>
>
>
> Majed B. wrote, On 07/24/2009 02:44 AM:
>
>> Bashar,
>>
>> I see that your provider had locked you in! I'm using Ekiga on Linux
>> for now to test out stuff. So far so good!
>>
>> Why not change your provider? FreePBX provide VoIP solutions quite cheap.
>>
>
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       Majed B.



From bashar at kuwaitnet.net  Fri Jul 24 04:58:03 2009
From: bashar at kuwaitnet.net (Bashar Al-Abdulhadi)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 04:58:03 +0300
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <70ed7c3e0907231850y1b6a1cecpf381e6e3aea24f03@mail.gmail.com>
References: <70ed7c3e0907122323x73b143f3q97f2b2d77d2af551@mail.gmail.com>
	<828fd6cc0907142130h5ae2c6c8hb342f40c1941347@mail.gmail.com>
	<70ed7c3e0907142151x6719696n65b59a04de3927fb@mail.gmail.com>
	<70ed7c3e0907142203l3ffa2230v6b3799d9e606bdce@mail.gmail.com>
	<828fd6cc0907142315xad48b10kce3113ae397ce0d3@mail.gmail.com>
	<70ed7c3e0907211332j5c7d50mcc1a08da7f009ba0@mail.gmail.com>
	<70ed7c3e0907231605k44c8ce40m9f4bfee0977b41d7@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A68F39B.3040304@kuwaitnet.net>	<70ed7c3e0907231644p6a6febe4k69c517ceaa893a06@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A68FDD4.6030208@kuwaitnet.net>
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From bashar at kuwaitnet.net  Fri Jul 24 04:59:28 2009
From: bashar at kuwaitnet.net (Bashar Al-Abdulhadi)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 04:59:28 +0300
Subject: [General] [Fwd: Microsoft's Gazelle browser takes a radical path |
 Beyond Binary - CNET News]
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From majedb at gmail.com  Fri Jul 24 11:30:19 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 11:30:19 +0300
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <4A69152B.2030300@kuwaitnet.net>
References: <70ed7c3e0907122323x73b143f3q97f2b2d77d2af551@mail.gmail.com> 
	<70ed7c3e0907142203l3ffa2230v6b3799d9e606bdce@mail.gmail.com> 
	<828fd6cc0907142315xad48b10kce3113ae397ce0d3@mail.gmail.com> 
	<70ed7c3e0907211332j5c7d50mcc1a08da7f009ba0@mail.gmail.com> 
	<70ed7c3e0907231605k44c8ce40m9f4bfee0977b41d7@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4A68F39B.3040304@kuwaitnet.net>
	<70ed7c3e0907231644p6a6febe4k69c517ceaa893a06@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4A68FDD4.6030208@kuwaitnet.net>
	<70ed7c3e0907231850y1b6a1cecpf381e6e3aea24f03@mail.gmail.com> 
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Why not use Asterisk or host your own solution (Avaya/Cisco)? Is it
too expensive compared to the one you currently have?

On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 4:58 AM, Bashar
Al-Abdulhadi<bashar at kuwaitnet.net> wrote:
> actually its local VOIP nothing international
>
> connecting via data link into FT's cloud then use their hosted service
>
> more info @ http://www.fasttelco.net/AxCMSwebLive/CorporateIPTelephony.cms
> :)
>
> using their 2225xyz# range and their new 2226xyz# DIDs
>
> since i need to be at FT network to use the phones i was trying their soft
> phone on my laptop to test the service from other ISPs using VPN
-- 
       Majed B.



From bashar at kuwaitnet.net  Fri Jul 24 18:23:20 2009
From: bashar at kuwaitnet.net (Bashar Al-Abdulhadi)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 18:23:20 +0300
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <70ed7c3e0907240130i62569783rb743a9a7d8c3170e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <70ed7c3e0907122323x73b143f3q97f2b2d77d2af551@mail.gmail.com>
	<70ed7c3e0907142203l3ffa2230v6b3799d9e606bdce@mail.gmail.com>
	<828fd6cc0907142315xad48b10kce3113ae397ce0d3@mail.gmail.com>
	<70ed7c3e0907211332j5c7d50mcc1a08da7f009ba0@mail.gmail.com>
	<70ed7c3e0907231605k44c8ce40m9f4bfee0977b41d7@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A68F39B.3040304@kuwaitnet.net>	<70ed7c3e0907231644p6a6febe4k69c517ceaa893a06@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A68FDD4.6030208@kuwaitnet.net>	<70ed7c3e0907231850y1b6a1cecpf381e6e3aea24f03@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A69152B.2030300@kuwaitnet.net>
	<70ed7c3e0907240130i62569783rb743a9a7d8c3170e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A69D1E8.2040504@kuwaitnet.net>

yes when it comes of renting your own E1, and purchasing a call manager 
and all its related devices then you need a local guy to manage it


with FT's you only pay per extension and everything is hosted at their 
premises and every office/location you add just get a single data link 
and put as many extensions as you want on that location



Majed B. wrote, On 07/24/2009 11:30 AM:

> Why not use Asterisk or host your own solution (Avaya/Cisco)? Is it
> too expensive compared to the one you currently have?
>
> On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 4:58 AM, Bashar
> Al-Abdulhadi<bashar at kuwaitnet.net> wrote:
>   
>> actually its local VOIP nothing international
>>
>> connecting via data link into FT's cloud then use their hosted service
>>
>> more info @ http://www.fasttelco.net/AxCMSwebLive/CorporateIPTelephony.cms
>> :)
>>
>> using their 2225xyz# range and their new 2226xyz# DIDs
>>
>> since i need to be at FT network to use the phones i was trying their soft
>> phone on my laptop to test the service from other ISPs using VPN
>>     
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From majedb at gmail.com  Fri Jul 24 18:57:27 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 18:57:27 +0300
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <4A69D1E8.2040504@kuwaitnet.net>
References: <70ed7c3e0907122323x73b143f3q97f2b2d77d2af551@mail.gmail.com> 
	<70ed7c3e0907211332j5c7d50mcc1a08da7f009ba0@mail.gmail.com> 
	<70ed7c3e0907231605k44c8ce40m9f4bfee0977b41d7@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4A68F39B.3040304@kuwaitnet.net>
	<70ed7c3e0907231644p6a6febe4k69c517ceaa893a06@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4A68FDD4.6030208@kuwaitnet.net>
	<70ed7c3e0907231850y1b6a1cecpf381e6e3aea24f03@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4A69152B.2030300@kuwaitnet.net>
	<70ed7c3e0907240130i62569783rb743a9a7d8c3170e@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4A69D1E8.2040504@kuwaitnet.net>
Message-ID: <70ed7c3e0907240857x4b259fe2h6245652d56b0e274@mail.gmail.com>

I finished writing the steps I took to configure trixbox & making
caller id work.

http://mbhtech.blogspot.com/2009/07/configuring-asterisktrixbox-for-kuwait.html

On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Bashar
Al-Abdulhadi<bashar at kuwaitnet.net> wrote:
> yes when it comes of renting your own E1, and purchasing a call manager and
> all its related devices then you need a local guy to manage it
>
>
> with FT's you only pay per extension and everything is hosted at their
> premises and every office/location you add just get a single data link and
> put as many extensions as you want on that location
-- 
       Majed B.



From bashar at kuwaitnet.net  Fri Jul 24 19:09:15 2009
From: bashar at kuwaitnet.net (Bashar Al-Abdulhadi)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 19:09:15 +0300
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <70ed7c3e0907240857x4b259fe2h6245652d56b0e274@mail.gmail.com>
References: <70ed7c3e0907122323x73b143f3q97f2b2d77d2af551@mail.gmail.com>
	<70ed7c3e0907211332j5c7d50mcc1a08da7f009ba0@mail.gmail.com>
	<70ed7c3e0907231605k44c8ce40m9f4bfee0977b41d7@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A68F39B.3040304@kuwaitnet.net>	<70ed7c3e0907231644p6a6febe4k69c517ceaa893a06@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A68FDD4.6030208@kuwaitnet.net>	<70ed7c3e0907231850y1b6a1cecpf381e6e3aea24f03@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A69152B.2030300@kuwaitnet.net>	<70ed7c3e0907240130i62569783rb743a9a7d8c3170e@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A69D1E8.2040504@kuwaitnet.net>
	<70ed7c3e0907240857x4b259fe2h6245652d56b0e274@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A69DCAB.3030207@kuwaitnet.net>

nice! how about testing it over the internet say using SIP based mobile? 
i.e nokia.E71? ;)



Majed B. wrote, On 07/24/2009 06:57 PM:

> I finished writing the steps I took to configure trixbox & making
> caller id work.
>
> http://mbhtech.blogspot.com/2009/07/configuring-asterisktrixbox-for-kuwait.html
>
> On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Bashar
> Al-Abdulhadi<bashar at kuwaitnet.net> wrote:
>   
>> yes when it comes of renting your own E1, and purchasing a call manager and
>> all its related devices then you need a local guy to manage it
>>
>>
>> with FT's you only pay per extension and everything is hosted at their
>> premises and every office/location you add just get a single data link and
>> put as many extensions as you want on that location
>>     
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From majedb at gmail.com  Fri Jul 24 19:14:19 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 19:14:19 +0300
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <4A69DCAB.3030207@kuwaitnet.net>
References: <70ed7c3e0907122323x73b143f3q97f2b2d77d2af551@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4A68F39B.3040304@kuwaitnet.net>
	<70ed7c3e0907231644p6a6febe4k69c517ceaa893a06@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4A68FDD4.6030208@kuwaitnet.net>
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	<4A69152B.2030300@kuwaitnet.net>
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	<4A69D1E8.2040504@kuwaitnet.net>
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Message-ID: <70ed7c3e0907240914v5fe27b0ct352e3d2a4049f2cf@mail.gmail.com>

I'm gonna! I don't have a DSL connection yet and my current one is
e-go which doesn't give me a real IP.

I should have my DSL connection ready for abusage by Wednesday. If you
wish, I can bring it over to your place and test it ;)

On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 7:09 PM, Bashar
Al-Abdulhadi<bashar at kuwaitnet.net> wrote:
> nice! how about testing it over the internet say using SIP based mobile? i.e
> nokia.E71? ;)
>
>
>
> Majed B. wrote, On 07/24/2009 06:57 PM:
>
>> I finished writing the steps I took to configure trixbox & making
>> caller id work.
>>
>>
>> http://mbhtech.blogspot.com/2009/07/configuring-asterisktrixbox-for-kuwait.html
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Bashar
>> Al-Abdulhadi<bashar at kuwaitnet.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> yes when it comes of renting your own E1, and purchasing a call manager
>>> and
>>> all its related devices then you need a local guy to manage it
>>>
>>>
>>> with FT's you only pay per extension and everything is hosted at their
>>> premises and every office/location you add just get a single data link
>>> and
>>> put as many extensions as you want on that location
>>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> General mailing list
> General at oskw.org
> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
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>



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       Majed B.



From bashar at kuwaitnet.net  Sat Jul 25 02:12:24 2009
From: bashar at kuwaitnet.net (Bashar Al-Abdulhadi)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 02:12:24 +0300
Subject: [General] google wave will go public by Sep 30th under Beta
Message-ID: <4A6A3FD8.5000100@kuwaitnet.net>

more info @ 
http://googlewavedev.blogspot.com/2009/07/google-wave-updates-from-todays.html


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From bashar at kuwaitnet.net  Sat Jul 25 20:18:00 2009
From: bashar at kuwaitnet.net (Bashar Al-Abdulhadi)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 20:18:00 +0300
Subject: [General] Int'l phone call cafes to be licensed soon (VOIP)
Message-ID: <4A6B3E48.10000@kuwaitnet.net>

http://kuwaittimes.net/read_news.php?newsid=Mzc1MzQyMjA4

i wonder how they will license it per minute, per E1, per what?
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From bashar.abdullah at gmail.com  Sat Jul 25 20:42:11 2009
From: bashar.abdullah at gmail.com (bashar abdullah)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 20:42:11 +0300
Subject: [General] Int'l phone call cafes to be licensed soon (VOIP)
In-Reply-To: <4A6B3E48.10000@kuwaitnet.net>
References: <4A6B3E48.10000@kuwaitnet.net>
Message-ID: <862afa530907251042o1538846fjdc690655ecad858f@mail.gmail.com>

So we're going back in time where we need to go to the nearest phone center
to make a phone call when we can actually do it in our own home, just so
that MOC makes more filthy money?



On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 8:18 PM, Bashar Al-Abdulhadi
<bashar at kuwaitnet.net>wrote:

> http://kuwaittimes.net/read_news.php?newsid=Mzc1MzQyMjA4
>
> i wonder how they will license it per minute, per E1, per what?
>
> _______________________________________________
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From kuwait at q8net.com  Sun Jul 26 00:25:53 2009
From: kuwait at q8net.com (kuwait at q8net.com)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 14:25:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [General] Int'l phone call cafes to be licensed soon (VOIP)
In-Reply-To: <4A6B3E48.10000@kuwaitnet.net>
Message-ID: <348270.56016.qm@web76110.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>


Looks like a partial privatizing of this sector, normally providers would pay loyalty fee or per license just like the internet service providers and sub-providers. You'll see services from calling cards up to your own business SIP. This was supposed to be legalized one year ago but the upper hand of corruption was, well....upper.


--- On Sat, 7/25/09, Bashar Al-Abdulhadi <bashar at kuwaitnet.net> wrote:

From: Bashar Al-Abdulhadi <bashar at kuwaitnet.net>
Subject: [General] Int'l phone call cafes to be licensed soon (VOIP)
To: "Kuwait OpenSource Community" <general at oskw.org>
Date: Saturday, July 25, 2009, 8:18 PM

http://kuwaittimes.net/read_news.php?newsid=Mzc1MzQyMjA4

i wonder how they will license it per minute, per E1, per what?

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From bashar at kuwaitnet.net  Sun Jul 26 01:31:44 2009
From: bashar at kuwaitnet.net (Bashar Al-Abdulhadi)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 01:31:44 +0300
Subject: [General] Vanish: Enhancing the Privacy of the Web with
	Self-Destructing Data
Message-ID: <4A6B87D0.6060808@kuwaitnet.net>

nice new technology http://vanish.cs.washington.edu/


reminds me of mission impossible movie :)

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From bashar at kuwaitnet.net  Sun Jul 26 02:31:58 2009
From: bashar at kuwaitnet.net (Bashar Al-Abdulhadi)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 02:31:58 +0300
Subject: [General] Int'l phone call cafes to be licensed soon (VOIP)
In-Reply-To: <862afa530907251042o1538846fjdc690655ecad858f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A6B3E48.10000@kuwaitnet.net>
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From majedb at gmail.com  Sun Jul 26 04:24:14 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 04:24:14 +0300
Subject: [General] Int'l phone call cafes to be licensed soon (VOIP)
In-Reply-To: <4A6B95EE.8010208@kuwaitnet.net>
References: <4A6B3E48.10000@kuwaitnet.net>
	<862afa530907251042o1538846fjdc690655ecad858f@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4A6B95EE.8010208@kuwaitnet.net>
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Wow, I've never read such an article where only the first paragraph is
informative and the rest is pure spam & PR!!!

So, calling cards are gonna have the same old tariff but calling
centers have the "VoIP Discount" ?!?! Unless it's as previously
mentioned that it's going to allow companies to offer such cards.
Business SIP accounts is a great idea!

If telecoms (Zain, Wataniya, Viva) don't provide it, they'll be losing
a lot of big bucks! :D

On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 2:31 AM, Bashar
Al-Abdulhadi<bashar at kuwaitnet.net> wrote:
> I dont think this what the article meant.
>
> it means that they will license VOIP to companies so they can run their own
> VOIP business and minutes from/to kuwait will drop? like most other
> countries
>
> you will start seeing skypein numbers in Kuwait, google.com/voice in kuwait
> and the list goes on :)
>
> bashar abdullah wrote, On 07/25/2009 08:42 PM:
>
> So we're going back in time where we need to go to the nearest phone center
> to make a phone call when we can actually do it in our own home, just so
> that MOC makes more filthy money?
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 8:18 PM, Bashar Al-Abdulhadi <bashar at kuwaitnet.net>
> wrote:
>>
>> http://kuwaittimes.net/read_news.php?newsid=Mzc1MzQyMjA4
>>
>> i wonder how they will license it per minute, per E1, per what?
>>
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From bashar at kuwaitnet.net  Sun Jul 26 04:55:00 2009
From: bashar at kuwaitnet.net (Bashar Al-Abdulhadi)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 04:55:00 +0300
Subject: [General] Int'l phone call cafes to be licensed soon (VOIP)
In-Reply-To: <70ed7c3e0907251824t7ce94ea9h82cba46786feea94@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A6B3E48.10000@kuwaitnet.net>	<862afa530907251042o1538846fjdc690655ecad858f@mail.gmail.com>
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From majedb at gmail.com  Sun Jul 26 05:00:14 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 05:00:14 +0300
Subject: [General] Int'l phone call cafes to be licensed soon (VOIP)
In-Reply-To: <4A6BB774.4090203@kuwaitnet.net>
References: <4A6B3E48.10000@kuwaitnet.net>
	<862afa530907251042o1538846fjdc690655ecad858f@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4A6B95EE.8010208@kuwaitnet.net>
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	<4A6BB774.4090203@kuwaitnet.net>
Message-ID: <70ed7c3e0907251900x3f630f5bn7b95b6c43307220e@mail.gmail.com>

Yeah, they started doing that about a year ago or so, and it's quite
lame and frustrating because using the older methods we used to see
who was calling, and even if the phone call was missed, we could call
back. Not any more!

On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 4:55 AM, Bashar
Al-Abdulhadi<bashar at kuwaitnet.net> wrote:
> as if they dont already do VOIP along with other ISPs lol
>
> i've been getting calls from international contacts all comes with 222X####
> since forever last one was a week or two ago
>
> so tell me about licensing heh
-- 
       Majed B.



From ahmad at koutbo6.com  Mon Jul 27 18:42:31 2009
From: ahmad at koutbo6.com (Ahmad Al-Ibrahim)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 18:42:31 +0300
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <70ed7c3e0907240857x4b259fe2h6245652d56b0e274@mail.gmail.com>
References: <70ed7c3e0907122323x73b143f3q97f2b2d77d2af551@mail.gmail.com>
	<70ed7c3e0907211332j5c7d50mcc1a08da7f009ba0@mail.gmail.com>
	<70ed7c3e0907231605k44c8ce40m9f4bfee0977b41d7@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A68F39B.3040304@kuwaitnet.net>	<70ed7c3e0907231644p6a6febe4k69c517ceaa893a06@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A68FDD4.6030208@kuwaitnet.net>	<70ed7c3e0907231850y1b6a1cecpf381e6e3aea24f03@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A69152B.2030300@kuwaitnet.net>	<70ed7c3e0907240130i62569783rb743a9a7d8c3170e@mail.gmail.com>
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	<70ed7c3e0907240857x4b259fe2h6245652d56b0e274@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A6DCAE7.6060901@koutbo6.com>

Majed,

Thanks for your post, I've ordered openvox card, downloading trixbox
now, and going to buy a desktop in few hours :)

btw, you've mentioned that you downloaded trixbox 2.6 because 2.8 is not
stable? I see it marked as stable in trixbox website.

Regards,

Ahmad Al-Ibrahim

Majed B. wrote:
> I finished writing the steps I took to configure trixbox & making
> caller id work.
> 
> http://mbhtech.blogspot.com/2009/07/configuring-asterisktrixbox-for-kuwait.html
> 
> On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Bashar
> Al-Abdulhadi<bashar at kuwaitnet.net> wrote:
>> yes when it comes of renting your own E1, and purchasing a call manager and
>> all its related devices then you need a local guy to manage it
>>
>>
>> with FT's you only pay per extension and everything is hosted at their
>> premises and every office/location you add just get a single data link and
>> put as many extensions as you want on that location



From kuwait at q8net.com  Mon Jul 27 19:11:13 2009
From: kuwait at q8net.com (kuwait at q8net.com)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 09:11:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <4A6DCAE7.6060901@koutbo6.com>
Message-ID: <677259.48601.qm@web76101.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>

Trixbox 2.6 based on Asterisk 1.4.x while Trixbox 2.8 is based on the new tree of Asterisk 1.6.x. Both should be stable but the 1.6.x has more features to be tested and deployed.

I myself started using 2.x which was based on Asterisk 1.2, i would go to the lower branch since the main issue everyone suffer from is the stability of the driver.


--- On Mon, 7/27/09, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim <ahmad at koutbo6.com> wrote:

From: Ahmad Al-Ibrahim <ahmad at koutbo6.com>
Subject: Re: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
To: "General OpenSource Discussion" <general at oskw.org>
Date: Monday, July 27, 2009, 6:42 PM

Majed,

Thanks for your post, I've ordered openvox card, downloading trixbox
now, and going to buy a desktop in few hours :)

btw, you've mentioned that you downloaded trixbox 2.6 because 2.8 is not
stable? I see it marked as stable in trixbox website.

Regards,

Ahmad Al-Ibrahim

Majed B. wrote:
> I finished writing the steps I took to configure trixbox & making
> caller id work.
> 
> http://mbhtech.blogspot.com/2009/07/configuring-asterisktrixbox-for-kuwait.html
> 
> On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Bashar
> Al-Abdulhadi<bashar at kuwaitnet.net> wrote:
>> yes when it comes of renting your own E1, and purchasing a call manager and
>> all its related devices then you need a local guy to manage it
>>
>>
>> with FT's you only pay per extension and everything is hosted at their
>> premises and every office/location you add just get a single data link and
>> put as many extensions as you want on that location

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From majedb at gmail.com  Mon Jul 27 22:36:59 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 22:36:59 +0300
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <677259.48601.qm@web76101.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>
References: <4A6DCAE7.6060901@koutbo6.com>
	<677259.48601.qm@web76101.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <70ed7c3e0907271236p2820056dmad67518519279cb@mail.gmail.com>

Ahmad,
Too bad you ordered that OpenVox card! I found an even cheaper card!!!
The X100P SE: http://www.x100p.com/products_1.htm
It's fully compatible with Asterisk, offers one port, and is quite
small compared to the Digium card.
That product can be found on eBay so far.

As for not using the 1.6 branch of Asterisk: I looked around for the
changelog between 1.4 & 1.6 and didn't find anything that says 1.6 is
good to go.

1.4 has been on production for quite some time and is used on Asterisk
Appliances. I haven't seen Asterisk appliances using 1.6.

I'll be using the 1.4 setup at home so I don't have time to play
around with 1.6 and 1.4 already offers what I need, and more!

Currently, I'm working on writing another post on how to configure
trixbox for home usage: extensions, ring groups, Day/Night Control,
Time conditions and rules & a few more things ;)

Also, I've contacted KBM (IBM partner in Kuwait) and asked them about
Cisco's IP phones and their pricing. I told the salesman that I wanted
the most basic model and he suggested CP-7911G. It supports SIP and
has 2x 100Mbps Ethernet ports (A pass-through to your computer).

I'll keep you posted on the pricing. If you know a company that sells
SIP phones in Kuwait, let me know!

On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 7:11 PM, <kuwait at q8net.com> wrote:
> Trixbox 2.6 based on Asterisk 1.4.x while Trixbox 2.8 is based on the new
> tree of Asterisk 1.6.x. Both should be stable but the 1.6.x has more
> features to be tested and deployed.
>
> I myself started using 2.x which was based on Asterisk 1.2, i would go to
> the lower branch since the main issue everyone suffer from is the stability
> of the driver.
>
>
> --- On Mon, 7/27/09, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim <ahmad at koutbo6.com> wrote:
>
> From: Ahmad Al-Ibrahim <ahmad at koutbo6.com>
> Subject: Re: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
> To: "General OpenSource Discussion" <general at oskw.org>
> Date: Monday, July 27, 2009, 6:42 PM
>
> Majed,
>
> Thanks for your post, I've ordered openvox card, downloading trixbox
> now, and going to buy a desktop in few hours :)
>
> btw, you've mentioned that you downloaded trixbox 2.6 because 2.8 is not
> stable? I see it marked as stable in trixbox website.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
>
> Majed B. wrote:
>> I finished writing the steps I took to configure trixbox & making
>> caller id work.
>>
>>
>> http://mbhtech.blogspot.com/2009/07/configuring-asterisktrixbox-for-kuwait.html
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Bashar
>> Al-Abdulhadi<bashar at kuwaitnet.net> wrote:
>>> yes when it comes of renting your own E1, and purchasing a call manager
>>> and
>>> all its related devices then you need a local guy to manage it
>>>
>>>
>>> with FT's you only pay per extension and everything is hosted at their
>>> premises and every office/location you add just get a single data link
>>> and
>>> put as many extensions as you want on that location
>
> _______________________________________________
> General mailing list
> General at oskw.org
> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>
> _______________________________________________
> General mailing list
> General at oskw.org
> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>
>



-- 
       Majed B.



From ahmad at koutbo6.com  Tue Jul 28 00:35:04 2009
From: ahmad at koutbo6.com (Ahmad Al-Ibrahim)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 00:35:04 +0300
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <677259.48601.qm@web76101.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>
References: <677259.48601.qm@web76101.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4A6E1D88.7080200@koutbo6.com>

Thanks for the tip, looks like 2.8 is broken, whenever i try to install
it gives an error of missing packages, downloading 2.6

kuwait at q8net.com wrote:
> Trixbox 2.6 based on Asterisk 1.4.x while Trixbox 2.8 is based on the
> new tree of Asterisk 1.6.x. Both should be stable but the 1.6.x has more
> features to be tested and deployed.
> 
> I myself started using 2.x which was based on Asterisk 1.2, i would go
> to the lower branch since the main issue everyone suffer from is the
> stability of the driver.
> 
> 
> --- On *Mon, 7/27/09, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim /<ahmad at koutbo6.com>/* wrote:
> 
> 
>     From: Ahmad Al-Ibrahim <ahmad at koutbo6.com>
>     Subject: Re: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
>     To: "General OpenSource Discussion" <general at oskw.org>
>     Date: Monday, July 27, 2009, 6:42 PM
> 
>     Majed,
> 
>     Thanks for your post, I've ordered openvox card, downloading trixbox
>     now, and going to buy a desktop in few hours :)
> 
>     btw, you've mentioned that you downloaded trixbox 2.6 because 2.8 is not
>     stable? I see it marked as stable in trixbox website.
> 
>     Regards,
> 
>     Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
> 
>     Majed B. wrote:
>     > I finished writing the steps I took to configure trixbox & making
>     > caller id work.
>     >
>     >
>     http://mbhtech.blogspot.com/2009/07/configuring-asterisktrixbox-for-kuwait.html
>     >
>     > On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Bashar
>     > Al-Abdulhadi<bashar at kuwaitnet.net
>     </mc/compose?to=bashar at kuwaitnet.net>> wrote:
>     >> yes when it comes of renting your own E1, and purchasing a call
>     manager and
>     >> all its related devices then you need a local guy to manage it
>     >>
>     >>
>     >> with FT's you only pay per extension and everything is hosted at
>     their
>     >> premises and every office/location you add just get a single data
>     link and
>     >> put as many extensions as you want on that location
> 
>     _______________________________________________
>     General mailing list
>     General at oskw.org </mc/compose?to=General at oskw.org>
>     http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
> 
> 
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From majedb at gmail.com  Tue Jul 28 00:38:06 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 00:38:06 +0300
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <4A6E1D88.7080200@koutbo6.com>
References: <677259.48601.qm@web76101.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>
	<4A6E1D88.7080200@koutbo6.com>
Message-ID: <70ed7c3e0907271438l13873b02y325995dbf32655db@mail.gmail.com>

I would suggest that you install after you install the PCI card,
otherwise you'd have to go to the command line and run the
configuration tools yourself. Or you could reinstall if all failed ;)

In the command line, type: trixbox-help (or help-trixbox).

Let me know how things progress with you :)

On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 12:35 AM, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim<ahmad at koutbo6.com> wrote:
> Thanks for the tip, looks like 2.8 is broken, whenever i try to install
> it gives an error of missing packages, downloading 2.6
-- 
       Majed B.



From ahmad at koutbo6.com  Tue Jul 28 01:08:44 2009
From: ahmad at koutbo6.com (Ahmad Al-Ibrahim)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 01:08:44 +0300
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <70ed7c3e0907271438l13873b02y325995dbf32655db@mail.gmail.com>
References: <677259.48601.qm@web76101.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>	<4A6E1D88.7080200@koutbo6.com>
	<70ed7c3e0907271438l13873b02y325995dbf32655db@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A6E256C.5050200@koutbo6.com>

Majed,

Thanks for the tips, the card might take more than a week, by that time
i want to get my self familiar with the system.

for whoever is planning to install trixbox, "DO NOT LEAVE YOUR EXTERNAL
STORAGE CONNECTED TO THE PC DURING INSTALLATION", trixbox will format
any available storage device, and I just lost 250 Gigs of data!

Majed B. wrote:
> I would suggest that you install after you install the PCI card,
> otherwise you'd have to go to the command line and run the
> configuration tools yourself. Or you could reinstall if all failed ;)
> 
> In the command line, type: trixbox-help (or help-trixbox).
> 
> Let me know how things progress with you :)
> 
> On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 12:35 AM, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim<ahmad at koutbo6.com> wrote:
>> Thanks for the tip, looks like 2.8 is broken, whenever i try to install
>> it gives an error of missing packages, downloading 2.6



From majedb at gmail.com  Tue Jul 28 01:17:00 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 01:17:00 +0300
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <4A6E256C.5050200@koutbo6.com>
References: <677259.48601.qm@web76101.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>
	<4A6E1D88.7080200@koutbo6.com> 
	<70ed7c3e0907271438l13873b02y325995dbf32655db@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4A6E256C.5050200@koutbo6.com>
Message-ID: <70ed7c3e0907271517g43a3bbd0x62e343f22c0d0273@mail.gmail.com>

I warned you to remove the external disks before installing, or use
the advance option on booting up...

I think you can restore the old filesystem. Download knoppix and run
the program: testdisk
Make it run through the disk and it should detect a corrupt old
filesystem (VFAT or NTFS). It may be able to recover it for you.

E-mail me if you need further help with recovering your data.

On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 1:08 AM, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim<ahmad at koutbo6.com> wrote:
> Majed,
>
> Thanks for the tips, the card might take more than a week, by that time
> i want to get my self familiar with the system.
>
> for whoever is planning to install trixbox, "DO NOT LEAVE YOUR EXTERNAL
> STORAGE CONNECTED TO THE PC DURING INSTALLATION", trixbox will format
> any available storage device, and I just lost 250 Gigs of data!
>
> Majed B. wrote:
>> I would suggest that you install after you install the PCI card,
>> otherwise you'd have to go to the command line and run the
>> configuration tools yourself. Or you could reinstall if all failed ;)
>>
>> In the command line, type: trixbox-help (or help-trixbox).
>>
>> Let me know how things progress with you :)
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 12:35 AM, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim<ahmad at koutbo6.com> wrote:
>>> Thanks for the tip, looks like 2.8 is broken, whenever i try to install
>>> it gives an error of missing packages, downloading 2.6
>
> _______________________________________________
> General mailing list
> General at oskw.org
> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>



-- 
       Majed B.



From ahmad at koutbo6.com  Tue Jul 28 01:17:50 2009
From: ahmad at koutbo6.com (Ahmad Al-Ibrahim)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 01:17:50 +0300
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <70ed7c3e0907271236p2820056dmad67518519279cb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A6DCAE7.6060901@koutbo6.com>	<677259.48601.qm@web76101.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>
	<70ed7c3e0907271236p2820056dmad67518519279cb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A6E278E.3040206@koutbo6.com>

Majed,

Looking forward for your next post. I think Bo Rashed and Bashar know
about SIP phones, my plan is to use it with SIP enabled mobile phones.

Regards,

Ahmad Al-Ibrahim

Majed B. wrote:
> Ahmad,
> Too bad you ordered that OpenVox card! I found an even cheaper card!!!
> The X100P SE: http://www.x100p.com/products_1.htm
> It's fully compatible with Asterisk, offers one port, and is quite
> small compared to the Digium card.
> That product can be found on eBay so far.
> 
> As for not using the 1.6 branch of Asterisk: I looked around for the
> changelog between 1.4 & 1.6 and didn't find anything that says 1.6 is
> good to go.
> 
> 1.4 has been on production for quite some time and is used on Asterisk
> Appliances. I haven't seen Asterisk appliances using 1.6.
> 
> I'll be using the 1.4 setup at home so I don't have time to play
> around with 1.6 and 1.4 already offers what I need, and more!
> 
> Currently, I'm working on writing another post on how to configure
> trixbox for home usage: extensions, ring groups, Day/Night Control,
> Time conditions and rules & a few more things ;)
> 
> Also, I've contacted KBM (IBM partner in Kuwait) and asked them about
> Cisco's IP phones and their pricing. I told the salesman that I wanted
> the most basic model and he suggested CP-7911G. It supports SIP and
> has 2x 100Mbps Ethernet ports (A pass-through to your computer).
> 
> I'll keep you posted on the pricing. If you know a company that sells
> SIP phones in Kuwait, let me know!
> 
> On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 7:11 PM, <kuwait at q8net.com> wrote:
>> Trixbox 2.6 based on Asterisk 1.4.x while Trixbox 2.8 is based on the new
>> tree of Asterisk 1.6.x. Both should be stable but the 1.6.x has more
>> features to be tested and deployed.
>>
>> I myself started using 2.x which was based on Asterisk 1.2, i would go to
>> the lower branch since the main issue everyone suffer from is the stability
>> of the driver.
>>
>>
>> --- On Mon, 7/27/09, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim <ahmad at koutbo6.com> wrote:
>>
>> From: Ahmad Al-Ibrahim <ahmad at koutbo6.com>
>> Subject: Re: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
>> To: "General OpenSource Discussion" <general at oskw.org>
>> Date: Monday, July 27, 2009, 6:42 PM
>>
>> Majed,
>>
>> Thanks for your post, I've ordered openvox card, downloading trixbox
>> now, and going to buy a desktop in few hours :)
>>
>> btw, you've mentioned that you downloaded trixbox 2.6 because 2.8 is not
>> stable? I see it marked as stable in trixbox website.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
>>
>> Majed B. wrote:
>>> I finished writing the steps I took to configure trixbox & making
>>> caller id work.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://mbhtech.blogspot.com/2009/07/configuring-asterisktrixbox-for-kuwait.html
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Bashar
>>> Al-Abdulhadi<bashar at kuwaitnet.net> wrote:
>>>> yes when it comes of renting your own E1, and purchasing a call manager
>>>> and
>>>> all its related devices then you need a local guy to manage it
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> with FT's you only pay per extension and everything is hosted at their
>>>> premises and every office/location you add just get a single data link
>>>> and
>>>> put as many extensions as you want on that location
>> _______________________________________________
>> General mailing list
>> General at oskw.org
>> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> General mailing list
>> General at oskw.org
>> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>>
>>
> 
> 
> 



From majedb at gmail.com  Tue Jul 28 01:24:36 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 01:24:36 +0300
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <4A6E278E.3040206@koutbo6.com>
References: <4A6DCAE7.6060901@koutbo6.com>
	<677259.48601.qm@web76101.mail.sg1.yahoo.com> 
	<70ed7c3e0907271236p2820056dmad67518519279cb@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4A6E278E.3040206@koutbo6.com>
Message-ID: <70ed7c3e0907271524g39a44aa6x324b323180289661@mail.gmail.com>

Hopefully my DSL would work within the next 2 days. I then will try to
make & receive calls from dewaniya over Internet using my landline at
home!

Unfortunately, my mobile is an old Nokia 9500 which doesn't have SIP
and 3rd party programs are buggy, so for now, I'm limited to using my
laptop as a testbed.

On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 1:17 AM, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim<ahmad at koutbo6.com> wrote:
> Majed,
>
> Looking forward for your next post. I think Bo Rashed and Bashar know
> about SIP phones, my plan is to use it with SIP enabled mobile phones.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
-- 
       Majed B.



From bashar at kuwaitnet.net  Tue Jul 28 02:22:56 2009
From: bashar at kuwaitnet.net (Bashar Al-Abdulhadi)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 02:22:56 +0300
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <70ed7c3e0907271236p2820056dmad67518519279cb@mail.gmail.com>
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From majedb at gmail.com  Tue Jul 28 02:34:44 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 02:34:44 +0300
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <4A6E36D0.2020103@kuwaitnet.net>
References: <4A6DCAE7.6060901@koutbo6.com>
	<677259.48601.qm@web76101.mail.sg1.yahoo.com> 
	<70ed7c3e0907271236p2820056dmad67518519279cb@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4A6E36D0.2020103@kuwaitnet.net>
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Bashar,
Those dudes are trying to sell their stuff with the original prices!!! Meh!

I'm trying to convince the family to buy used/refurbished phones but
they don't want. They had this disgusted look on their faces. I just
don't get them :/

You're lucky they let you get 10 phones! They usually charge you 5%
(trade tax) if you have 3 or more!

I don't want a high-end phone. I asked for the most basic and Cisco
being available in Kuwait, I thought it would save me some trouble.
Also, I get to test one before buying it, to make sure it works with
my PBX!

Are you using them with the SIP firmware or with the SCCP one?

Ahmad,
testdisk doesn't recover files; it fixes and recovers the old
filesystem. This is a better approach rather than recovering the files
one by one...

On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 2:22 AM, Bashar
Al-Abdulhadi<bashar at kuwaitnet.net> wrote:
> KBM and fasttelco both cisco partners their pricing are expensive
>
> i got 10 x 7912 and 2 x 7960G from ebay and another 15 for 7912 for a friend
> of mine.
>
> my last purchase was 7960 refurbished for $46 !
>
> as a side note; couple of months back i got an email from someone here in
> kuwait an investments company shutdown and their items are for sale,
> attached the PDF although you can get way cheaper from ebay.
>
> i had trouble getting the 10 used phones in one box as the quantity was high
> and had hard time to convince the kaifan mail staff that they are for use
> not for reselling and they almost wanted me to get a clearance from ministry
> of information because they had a mini-LCD and thought it was CLI ! not sure
> why we need to get a clearance from MOINFO if the phone had a mini LCD
>
> but there are lots of cheaper voip phones like $25-$50/ea new no need togo
> for high end cisco phones for home usage :)
>
> and Ahmad for your formatted disk there are lots of tools out there, quick
> search got me http://www.recoverdatatools.com/data-recovery-on-linux.html
> see if it helps!
-- 
       Majed B.



From ahmad at koutbo6.com  Tue Jul 28 03:06:11 2009
From: ahmad at koutbo6.com (Ahmad Al-Ibrahim)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 03:06:11 +0300
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <70ed7c3e0907271517g43a3bbd0x62e343f22c0d0273@mail.gmail.com>
References: <677259.48601.qm@web76101.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>	<4A6E1D88.7080200@koutbo6.com>
	<70ed7c3e0907271438l13873b02y325995dbf32655db@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A6E256C.5050200@koutbo6.com>
	<70ed7c3e0907271517g43a3bbd0x62e343f22c0d0273@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A6E40F3.2090601@koutbo6.com>

Majed,

I will give it a try, thanks!

Regards,

Ahmad Al-Ibrahim

Majed B. wrote:
> I warned you to remove the external disks before installing, or use
> the advance option on booting up...
> 
> I think you can restore the old filesystem. Download knoppix and run
> the program: testdisk
> Make it run through the disk and it should detect a corrupt old
> filesystem (VFAT or NTFS). It may be able to recover it for you.
> 
> E-mail me if you need further help with recovering your data.
> 
> On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 1:08 AM, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim<ahmad at koutbo6.com> wrote:
>> Majed,
>>
>> Thanks for the tips, the card might take more than a week, by that time
>> i want to get my self familiar with the system.
>>
>> for whoever is planning to install trixbox, "DO NOT LEAVE YOUR EXTERNAL
>> STORAGE CONNECTED TO THE PC DURING INSTALLATION", trixbox will format
>> any available storage device, and I just lost 250 Gigs of data!
>>
>> Majed B. wrote:
>>> I would suggest that you install after you install the PCI card,
>>> otherwise you'd have to go to the command line and run the
>>> configuration tools yourself. Or you could reinstall if all failed ;)
>>>
>>> In the command line, type: trixbox-help (or help-trixbox).
>>>
>>> Let me know how things progress with you :)
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 12:35 AM, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim<ahmad at koutbo6.com> wrote:
>>>> Thanks for the tip, looks like 2.8 is broken, whenever i try to install
>>>> it gives an error of missing packages, downloading 2.6
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> 
> 



From kuwait at q8net.com  Tue Jul 28 03:29:07 2009
From: kuwait at q8net.com (Faisal AlAbhoul)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 17:29:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <70ed7c3e0907271236p2820056dmad67518519279cb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <889025.15384.qm@web76103.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>


I would avoid buying the cheapo x100p PCI cards, the quality is almost similar to software and they come with plenty of echo problems. I would buy Rhino or Sangoma http://www.sangoma.com or even Digium cards, it would be even better if you buy the commercial level G729 codec which you can install in Asterisk.

As for the SIP hardware phones, i started testing with Grandstream Taiwanese SIP phones http://www.grandstream.com which obviously turned to be more of a budget SIP phones, i dont recommend them for production or office usage.. I would go with Polycom phones if you aim for best quality in the market, i have tested Polycom phones http://www.polycom.com and they are on the level. You can also try Linksys or even Aastra, both brands have good reputation. Since you gents already shopping online, allow me to share with you my VoIP shopping spot http://www.telephonydepot.com 

Asterisk is not about telephony only, you can use it for video conferencing and even for security cameras if not more, have a go at this Linux project concerning Linux for home entertainment and automation http://www.LinuxMCE..com

If you really want to replace a commercial level hardware PBX like Panasonic (which i finally did) you need a lot of research and testing, the Linux VoIP is quite mature and comes with beefy features (even future features yet to emerge) AFIC not even available in the PBX business stream. Be warned, once you are hooked with Asterisk and its variants...there is no turning back. :)




--- On Mon, 7/27/09, Majed B. <majedb at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Majed B. <majedb at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
To: "General OpenSource Discussion" <general at oskw.org>
Date: Monday, July 27, 2009, 10:36 PM

Ahmad,
Too bad you ordered that OpenVox card! I found an even cheaper card!!!
The X100P SE: http://www.x100p.com/products_1.htm
It's fully compatible with Asterisk, offers one port, and is quite
small compared to the Digium card.
That product can be found on eBay so far.

As for not using the 1.6 branch of Asterisk: I looked around for the
changelog between 1.4 & 1.6 and didn't find anything that says 1.6 is
good to go.

1.4 has been on production for quite some time and is used on Asterisk
Appliances. I haven't seen Asterisk appliances using 1.6.

I'll be using the 1.4 setup at home so I don't have time to play
around with 1.6 and 1.4 already offers what I need, and more!

Currently, I'm working on writing another post on how to configure
trixbox for home usage: extensions, ring groups, Day/Night Control,
Time conditions and rules & a few more things ;)

Also, I've contacted KBM (IBM partner in Kuwait) and asked them about
Cisco's IP phones and their pricing. I told the salesman that I wanted
the most basic model and he suggested CP-7911G. It supports SIP and
has 2x 100Mbps Ethernet ports (A pass-through to your computer).

I'll keep you posted on the pricing. If you know a company that sells
SIP phones in Kuwait, let me know!

On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 7:11 PM, <kuwait at q8net.com> wrote:
> Trixbox 2.6 based on Asterisk 1.4.x while Trixbox 2.8 is based on the new
> tree of Asterisk 1.6.x. Both should be stable but the 1.6.x has more
> features to be tested and deployed.
>
> I myself started using 2.x which was based on Asterisk 1.2, i would go to
> the lower branch since the main issue everyone suffer from is the stability
> of the driver.
>
>
> --- On Mon, 7/27/09, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim <ahmad at koutbo6.com> wrote:
>
> From: Ahmad Al-Ibrahim <ahmad at koutbo6.com>
> Subject: Re: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
> To: "General OpenSource Discussion" <general at oskw.org>
> Date: Monday, July 27, 2009, 6:42 PM
>
> Majed,
>
> Thanks for your post, I've ordered openvox card, downloading trixbox
> now, and going to buy a desktop in few hours :)
>
> btw, you've mentioned that you downloaded trixbox 2.6 because 2.8 is not
> stable? I see it marked as stable in trixbox website.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
>
> Majed B. wrote:
>> I finished writing the steps I took to configure trixbox & making
>> caller id work.
>>
>>
>> http://mbhtech.blogspot.com/2009/07/configuring-asterisktrixbox-for-kuwait.html
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Bashar
>> Al-Abdulhadi<bashar at kuwaitnet.net> wrote:
>>> yes when it comes of renting your own E1, and purchasing a call manager
>>> and
>>> all its related devices then you need a local guy to manage it
>>>
>>>
>>> with FT's you only pay per extension and everything is hosted at their
>>> premises and every office/location you add just get a single data link
>>> and
>>> put as many extensions as you want on that location
>
> _______________________________________________
> General mailing list
> General at oskw.org
> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>
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From kuwait at q8net.com  Tue Jul 28 03:31:29 2009
From: kuwait at q8net.com (Faisal AlAbhoul)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 17:31:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <70ed7c3e0907271524g39a44aa6x324b323180289661@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <373538.21999.qm@web76110.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>

I managed to link an old imate using Fring with Asterisk, the quality of sound is not bad at all. I think Fring runs on many phones now, so far its the best solution i had with Asterisk in a mobile phone.

This is the website for Fring http://www.fring.com


--- On Tue, 7/28/09, Majed B. <majedb at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Majed B. <majedb at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
To: "General OpenSource Discussion" <general at oskw.org>
Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 1:24 AM

Hopefully my DSL would work within the next 2 days. I then will try to
make & receive calls from dewaniya over Internet using my landline at
home!

Unfortunately, my mobile is an old Nokia 9500 which doesn't have SIP
and 3rd party programs are buggy, so for now, I'm limited to using my
laptop as a testbed.

On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 1:17 AM, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim<ahmad at koutbo6.com> wrote:
> Majed,
>
> Looking forward for your next post. I think Bo Rashed and Bashar know
> about SIP phones, my plan is to use it with SIP enabled mobile phones.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
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From sabah at techsys.net  Tue Jul 28 04:09:44 2009
From: sabah at techsys.net (Eng. Sabah Al-Sabah)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 03:09:44 +0200
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <373538.21999.qm@web76110.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>
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From majedb at gmail.com  Tue Jul 28 04:17:25 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 04:17:25 +0300
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <373538.21999.qm@web76110.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>
References: <70ed7c3e0907271524g39a44aa6x324b323180289661@mail.gmail.com> 
	<373538.21999.qm@web76110.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <70ed7c3e0907271817v2f6fb918o7a16008a9dcd3779@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks a lot Faisal!

I've read a few reviews about the x100p SE cards (not the x101 which
is crap) and everyone says it's good so far. Note that this is a new
card and its model name is "X100P SE"  --  it costs $30 so it really
doesn't hurt to try it!

You seem to aim quite high. My plan is for home usage only ;)

I'll take a look at Polycom and see. If its price is better than
Cisco, then I'll sure consider it!

Thanks a bunch!

On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 3:31 AM, Faisal AlAbhoul<kuwait at q8net.com> wrote:
> I managed to link an old imate using Fring with Asterisk, the quality of
> sound is not bad at all. I think Fring runs on many phones now, so far its
> the best solution i had with Asterisk in a mobile phone.
>
> This is the website for Fring http://www.fring.com
>
>
> --- On Tue, 7/28/09, Majed B. <majedb at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Majed B. <majedb at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
> To: "General OpenSource Discussion" <general at oskw.org>
> Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 1:24 AM
>
> Hopefully my DSL would work within the next 2 days. I then will try to
> make & receive calls from dewaniya over Internet using my landline at
> home!
>
> Unfortunately, my mobile is an old Nokia 9500 which doesn't have SIP
> and 3rd party programs are buggy, so for now, I'm limited to using my
> laptop as a testbed.
>
> On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 1:17 AM, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim<ahmad at koutbo6.com> wrote:
>> Majed,
>>
>> Looking forward for your next post. I think Bo Rashed and Bashar know
>> about SIP phones, my plan is to use it with SIP enabled mobile phones.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
> --
> ? ? ???Majed B..
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
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>



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       Majed B.



From majedb at gmail.com  Tue Jul 28 10:51:44 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 10:51:44 +0300
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <70ed7c3e0907271817v2f6fb918o7a16008a9dcd3779@mail.gmail.com>
References: <70ed7c3e0907271524g39a44aa6x324b323180289661@mail.gmail.com> 
	<373538.21999.qm@web76110.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>
	<70ed7c3e0907271817v2f6fb918o7a16008a9dcd3779@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <70ed7c3e0907280051q1708d0ccjd60053eadf552fd7@mail.gmail.com>

KBM is selling the CP-7911 model of Cisco's IP Phones for 41 KD!! New
one range in the 60-65 KD range according to
http://google.com/products

I think I'd be better off buying the phones from the site Faisal
recommended. I found these two phones & I like their specs:

http://www.telephonydepot.com/Catalog/Cisco-Phones/Linksys-SPA921
http://www.telephonydepot.com/Catalog/Cisco-Phones/Linksys-SPA922

I want one phone with 2 ethernet ports as I want to put an Access
Point in the living room and only have one RJ45 socket. The rest of
the rooms are good enough with SPA921 as it has one ethernet port.
(The access point will cover the PCs/Laptops with wireless).

On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 4:17 AM, Majed B.<majedb at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks a lot Faisal!
>
> I've read a few reviews about the x100p SE cards (not the x101 which
> is crap) and everyone says it's good so far. Note that this is a new
> card and its model name is "X100P SE" ?-- ?it costs $30 so it really
> doesn't hurt to try it!
>
> You seem to aim quite high. My plan is for home usage only ;)
>
> I'll take a look at Polycom and see. If its price is better than
> Cisco, then I'll sure consider it!
>
> Thanks a bunch!
-- 
       Majed B.



From bashar at kuwaitnet.net  Tue Jul 28 16:21:15 2009
From: bashar at kuwaitnet.net (Bashar Al-Abdulhadi)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 16:21:15 +0300
Subject: [General] Google Shows Off Next Android Build -- Donut and not 2.0
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From ahmad at koutbo6.com  Tue Jul 28 17:50:04 2009
From: ahmad at koutbo6.com (Ahmad Al-Ibrahim)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 17:50:04 +0300
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <4A6E1D88.7080200@koutbo6.com>
References: <677259.48601.qm@web76101.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>
	<4A6E1D88.7080200@koutbo6.com>
Message-ID: <4A6F101C.4040607@koutbo6.com>

Same problem of missing packages happened with trixbox 2.6, I dont know
what is the cause of this, looks like a problem with my LG
DVD/CD-Writer. And I dont think Trixbox 2.8 is broken.

I will try to install trixbox from flash drive, hopefully it will solve
my problems.

Regards,

Ahmad Al-Ibrahim

Ahmad Al-Ibrahim wrote:
> Thanks for the tip, looks like 2.8 is broken, whenever i try to install
> it gives an error of missing packages, downloading 2.6
> 
> kuwait at q8net.com wrote:
>> Trixbox 2.6 based on Asterisk 1.4.x while Trixbox 2.8 is based on the
>> new tree of Asterisk 1.6.x. Both should be stable but the 1.6.x has more
>> features to be tested and deployed.
>>
>> I myself started using 2.x which was based on Asterisk 1.2, i would go
>> to the lower branch since the main issue everyone suffer from is the
>> stability of the driver.
>>
>>
>> --- On *Mon, 7/27/09, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim /<ahmad at koutbo6.com>/* wrote:
>>
>>
>>     From: Ahmad Al-Ibrahim <ahmad at koutbo6.com>
>>     Subject: Re: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
>>     To: "General OpenSource Discussion" <general at oskw.org>
>>     Date: Monday, July 27, 2009, 6:42 PM
>>
>>     Majed,
>>
>>     Thanks for your post, I've ordered openvox card, downloading trixbox
>>     now, and going to buy a desktop in few hours :)
>>
>>     btw, you've mentioned that you downloaded trixbox 2.6 because 2.8 is not
>>     stable? I see it marked as stable in trixbox website.
>>
>>     Regards,
>>
>>     Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
>>
>>     Majed B. wrote:
>>     > I finished writing the steps I took to configure trixbox & making
>>     > caller id work.
>>     >
>>     >
>>     http://mbhtech.blogspot.com/2009/07/configuring-asterisktrixbox-for-kuwait.html
>>     >
>>     > On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Bashar
>>     > Al-Abdulhadi<bashar at kuwaitnet.net
>>     </mc/compose?to=bashar at kuwaitnet.net>> wrote:
>>     >> yes when it comes of renting your own E1, and purchasing a call
>>     manager and
>>     >> all its related devices then you need a local guy to manage it
>>     >>
>>     >>
>>     >> with FT's you only pay per extension and everything is hosted at
>>     their
>>     >> premises and every office/location you add just get a single data
>>     link and
>>     >> put as many extensions as you want on that location
>>
>>     _______________________________________________
>>     General mailing list
>>     General at oskw.org </mc/compose?to=General at oskw.org>
>>     http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
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From majedb at gmail.com  Tue Jul 28 21:10:53 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 21:10:53 +0300
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <4A6F101C.4040607@koutbo6.com>
References: <677259.48601.qm@web76101.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>
	<4A6E1D88.7080200@koutbo6.com> <4A6F101C.4040607@koutbo6.com>
Message-ID: <70ed7c3e0907281110k7d44730fs62f04c585450daa6@mail.gmail.com>

Ahmad,

Check the md5 hash of the ISO files you downloaded to make sure
they're not corrupted.

On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 5:50 PM, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim<ahmad at koutbo6.com> wrote:
> Same problem of missing packages happened with trixbox 2.6, I dont know
> what is the cause of this, looks like a problem with my LG
> DVD/CD-Writer. And I dont think Trixbox 2.8 is broken.
>
> I will try to install trixbox from flash drive, hopefully it will solve
> my problems.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
>
> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim wrote:
>> Thanks for the tip, looks like 2.8 is broken, whenever i try to install
>> it gives an error of missing packages, downloading 2.6
>>
>> kuwait at q8net.com wrote:
>>> Trixbox 2.6 based on Asterisk 1.4.x while Trixbox 2.8 is based on the
>>> new tree of Asterisk 1.6.x. Both should be stable but the 1.6.x has more
>>> features to be tested and deployed.
>>>
>>> I myself started using 2.x which was based on Asterisk 1.2, i would go
>>> to the lower branch since the main issue everyone suffer from is the
>>> stability of the driver.
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On *Mon, 7/27/09, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim /<ahmad at koutbo6.com>/* wrote:
>>>
>>>
-- 
       Majed B.



From majedb at gmail.com  Tue Jul 28 21:14:29 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 21:14:29 +0300
Subject: [General] Google Shows Off Next Android Build -- Donut and not
	2.0
In-Reply-To: <4A6EFB4B.10603@kuwaitnet.net>
References: <4A6EFB4B.10603@kuwaitnet.net>
Message-ID: <70ed7c3e0907281114n5027fc4aif7fa2ea17cae7c10@mail.gmail.com>

The problem is that current hardware isn't capable of handling the
OS's features (including flash) :/

I just read a good review from engadget and I'm disappointed with HTC
Hero and I may not buy it after all. I'll wait for more reviews, but I
gotta tell you, the excitement is gone :(

On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Bashar
Al-Abdulhadi<bashar at kuwaitnet.net> wrote:
>
>
> Google (NSDQ: GOOG) is showing developers what to expect from the next
> version of the Android operating system.
>
> The new branch of development is being called "Donut," and it will add
> multiple features to help Android compete against rivals like the iPhone,
> BlackBerry, Symbian, and webOS mobile operating systems. Donut is not
> Android 2.0, but many of its features and capabilities will likely be found
> in the next official firmware update.
>
> One of the most important new features in this update is compatibility for
> CDMA networks, which are used by Verizon (NYSE: VZ) Wireless and Sprint
> Nextel (NYSE: S). Both mobile operators have publicly said they will offer
> Android smartphones, but they will likely have to wait until an official
> update to offer devices.
>
> The Donut branch also includes integrated universal search, which should
> enable users to search online and within the phone's calendars, contacts,
> music, and installed apps. This is expected to be similar to the Spotlight
> search feature Apple rolled out with its iPhone 3.0 software. Additionally,
> Donut features more text-to-speech features, automatic backup, and a
> home-screen widget to let users easily toggle functions like Wi-Fi and
> Bluetooth.
>
> Developers first reported Donut included code that would enable multi-touch
> like the iPhone's pinching and stretching to zoom in and out of Web pages.
> This was later refuted by Google Android framework developer Romain Guy in a
> developer forum Sunday.
>
> Andy Rubin, Google's director of mobile platforms, said the search giant
> plans to provide biannual software updates for the Linux-based mobile OS.
> Following the dessert-themed naming convention, Rubin said developers can
> expect the next two updates to be called "Eclair" and "Flan." Existing
> devices like the T-Mobile G1 and the myTouch 3G should be able to receive
> these software updates over the air once
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> General mailing list
> General at oskw.org
> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>
>



-- 
       Majed B.



From ahmad at koutbo6.com  Tue Jul 28 22:43:08 2009
From: ahmad at koutbo6.com (Ahmad Al-Ibrahim)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 22:43:08 +0300
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <70ed7c3e0907281110k7d44730fs62f04c585450daa6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <677259.48601.qm@web76101.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>	<4A6E1D88.7080200@koutbo6.com>
	<4A6F101C.4040607@koutbo6.com>
	<70ed7c3e0907281110k7d44730fs62f04c585450daa6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A6F54CC.9050802@koutbo6.com>

Majed,

I've done that already, md5 hash is matching, I'm giving it a try with
different CD's to make sure its not from the CD it self. next step to
install from USB.

there is another weird thing happening with the installation process of
trixbox, if I dont boot it with 'linux text mem=2048M' some parts of the
installation process are skipped, like choosing the disks to be
formatted and partitioning.

and thanks for the testdisk tool, saves my life! I started recovering
files using photorec that ships with testdisk, what a cool tool!

Regards,

Ahmad Al-Ibrahim

Majed B. wrote:
> Ahmad,
> 
> Check the md5 hash of the ISO files you downloaded to make sure
> they're not corrupted.
> 
> On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 5:50 PM, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim<ahmad at koutbo6.com> wrote:
>> Same problem of missing packages happened with trixbox 2.6, I dont know
>> what is the cause of this, looks like a problem with my LG
>> DVD/CD-Writer. And I dont think Trixbox 2.8 is broken.
>>
>> I will try to install trixbox from flash drive, hopefully it will solve
>> my problems.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
>>
>> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim wrote:
>>> Thanks for the tip, looks like 2.8 is broken, whenever i try to install
>>> it gives an error of missing packages, downloading 2.6
>>>
>>> kuwait at q8net.com wrote:
>>>> Trixbox 2.6 based on Asterisk 1.4.x while Trixbox 2.8 is based on the
>>>> new tree of Asterisk 1.6.x. Both should be stable but the 1.6.x has more
>>>> features to be tested and deployed.
>>>>
>>>> I myself started using 2.x which was based on Asterisk 1.2, i would go
>>>> to the lower branch since the main issue everyone suffer from is the
>>>> stability of the driver.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- On *Mon, 7/27/09, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim /<ahmad at koutbo6.com>/* wrote:
>>>>
>>>>



From majedb at gmail.com  Tue Jul 28 22:47:24 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 22:47:24 +0300
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <4A6F54CC.9050802@koutbo6.com>
References: <677259.48601.qm@web76101.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>
	<4A6E1D88.7080200@koutbo6.com> <4A6F101C.4040607@koutbo6.com>
	<70ed7c3e0907281110k7d44730fs62f04c585450daa6@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4A6F54CC.9050802@koutbo6.com>
Message-ID: <70ed7c3e0907281247t292d7ebr415c50945ff5b7f3@mail.gmail.com>

Ahmad,

You don't need to recover files. testdisk should be able to fix the
filesystem itself and make it usable as it was before.

I would suggest you download and boot memtest86
(http://www.memtest.org/). You might have buggy/defective RAMs!!!

On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 10:43 PM, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim<ahmad at koutbo6.com> wrote:
> Majed,
>
> I've done that already, md5 hash is matching, I'm giving it a try with
> different CD's to make sure its not from the CD it self. next step to
> install from USB.
>
> there is another weird thing happening with the installation process of
> trixbox, if I dont boot it with 'linux text mem=2048M' some parts of the
> installation process are skipped, like choosing the disks to be
> formatted and partitioning.
>
> and thanks for the testdisk tool, saves my life! I started recovering
> files using photorec that ships with testdisk, what a cool tool!
>
> Regards,
>
> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
>
> Majed B. wrote:
>> Ahmad,
>>
>> Check the md5 hash of the ISO files you downloaded to make sure
>> they're not corrupted.
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 5:50 PM, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim<ahmad at koutbo6.com> wrote:
>>> Same problem of missing packages happened with trixbox 2.6, I dont know
>>> what is the cause of this, looks like a problem with my LG
>>> DVD/CD-Writer. And I dont think Trixbox 2.8 is broken.
>>>
>>> I will try to install trixbox from flash drive, hopefully it will solve
>>> my problems.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
>>>
>>> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim wrote:
>>>> Thanks for the tip, looks like 2.8 is broken, whenever i try to install
>>>> it gives an error of missing packages, downloading 2.6
>>>>
>>>> kuwait at q8net.com wrote:
>>>>> Trixbox 2.6 based on Asterisk 1.4.x while Trixbox 2.8 is based on the
>>>>> new tree of Asterisk 1.6.x. Both should be stable but the 1.6.x has more
>>>>> features to be tested and deployed.
>>>>>
>>>>> I myself started using 2.x which was based on Asterisk 1.2, i would go
>>>>> to the lower branch since the main issue everyone suffer from is the
>>>>> stability of the driver.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --- On *Mon, 7/27/09, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim /<ahmad at koutbo6.com>/* wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> General mailing list
> General at oskw.org
> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>



-- 
       Majed B.



From ahmad at koutbo6.com  Tue Jul 28 23:06:58 2009
From: ahmad at koutbo6.com (Ahmad Al-Ibrahim)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 23:06:58 +0300
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <70ed7c3e0907281247t292d7ebr415c50945ff5b7f3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <677259.48601.qm@web76101.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>	<4A6E1D88.7080200@koutbo6.com>
	<4A6F101C.4040607@koutbo6.com>	<70ed7c3e0907281110k7d44730fs62f04c585450daa6@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A6F54CC.9050802@koutbo6.com>
	<70ed7c3e0907281247t292d7ebr415c50945ff5b7f3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A6F5A62.1010708@koutbo6.com>

Majed,

I failed to recover using testdisk yesterday, and photorec worked for me.

Trixbox 2.8 finally installed using different CD brand!

Regards,

Ahmad Al-Ibrahim

Majed B. wrote:
> Ahmad,
> 
> You don't need to recover files. testdisk should be able to fix the
> filesystem itself and make it usable as it was before.
> 
> I would suggest you download and boot memtest86
> (http://www.memtest.org/). You might have buggy/defective RAMs!!!
> 
> On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 10:43 PM, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim<ahmad at koutbo6.com> wrote:
>> Majed,
>>
>> I've done that already, md5 hash is matching, I'm giving it a try with
>> different CD's to make sure its not from the CD it self. next step to
>> install from USB.
>>
>> there is another weird thing happening with the installation process of
>> trixbox, if I dont boot it with 'linux text mem=2048M' some parts of the
>> installation process are skipped, like choosing the disks to be
>> formatted and partitioning.
>>
>> and thanks for the testdisk tool, saves my life! I started recovering
>> files using photorec that ships with testdisk, what a cool tool!
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
>>
>> Majed B. wrote:
>>> Ahmad,
>>>
>>> Check the md5 hash of the ISO files you downloaded to make sure
>>> they're not corrupted.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 5:50 PM, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim<ahmad at koutbo6.com> wrote:
>>>> Same problem of missing packages happened with trixbox 2.6, I dont know
>>>> what is the cause of this, looks like a problem with my LG
>>>> DVD/CD-Writer. And I dont think Trixbox 2.8 is broken.
>>>>
>>>> I will try to install trixbox from flash drive, hopefully it will solve
>>>> my problems.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
>>>>
>>>> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim wrote:
>>>>> Thanks for the tip, looks like 2.8 is broken, whenever i try to install
>>>>> it gives an error of missing packages, downloading 2.6
>>>>>
>>>>> kuwait at q8net.com wrote:
>>>>>> Trixbox 2.6 based on Asterisk 1.4.x while Trixbox 2.8 is based on the
>>>>>> new tree of Asterisk 1.6.x. Both should be stable but the 1.6.x has more
>>>>>> features to be tested and deployed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I myself started using 2.x which was based on Asterisk 1.2, i would go
>>>>>> to the lower branch since the main issue everyone suffer from is the
>>>>>> stability of the driver.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --- On *Mon, 7/27/09, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim /<ahmad at koutbo6.com>/* wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> General mailing list
>> General at oskw.org
>> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>>
> 
> 
> 



From majedb at gmail.com  Tue Jul 28 23:09:52 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 23:09:52 +0300
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <4A6F5A62.1010708@koutbo6.com>
References: <677259.48601.qm@web76101.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>
	<4A6E1D88.7080200@koutbo6.com> <4A6F101C.4040607@koutbo6.com>
	<70ed7c3e0907281110k7d44730fs62f04c585450daa6@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4A6F54CC.9050802@koutbo6.com>
	<70ed7c3e0907281247t292d7ebr415c50945ff5b7f3@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4A6F5A62.1010708@koutbo6.com>
Message-ID: <70ed7c3e0907281309p66712aa2ibda6bed51fe246a7@mail.gmail.com>

Did you try deep / thorough search with testdisk?

If you need application-specific recovery, use foremost & magicrescue.

Which CD brand were you using?

On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 11:06 PM, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim<ahmad at koutbo6.com> wrote:
> Majed,
>
> I failed to recover using testdisk yesterday, and photorec worked for me.
>
> Trixbox 2.8 finally installed using different CD brand!
>
> Regards,
>
> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
>
> Majed B. wrote:
>> Ahmad,
>>
>> You don't need to recover files. testdisk should be able to fix the
>> filesystem itself and make it usable as it was before.
>>
>> I would suggest you download and boot memtest86
>> (http://www.memtest.org/). You might have buggy/defective RAMs!!!
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 10:43 PM, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim<ahmad at koutbo6.com> wrote:
>>> Majed,
>>>
>>> I've done that already, md5 hash is matching, I'm giving it a try with
>>> different CD's to make sure its not from the CD it self. next step to
>>> install from USB.
>>>
>>> there is another weird thing happening with the installation process of
>>> trixbox, if I dont boot it with 'linux text mem=2048M' some parts of the
>>> installation process are skipped, like choosing the disks to be
>>> formatted and partitioning.
>>>
>>> and thanks for the testdisk tool, saves my life! I started recovering
>>> files using photorec that ships with testdisk, what a cool tool!
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
>>>
>>> Majed B. wrote:
>>>> Ahmad,
>>>>
>>>> Check the md5 hash of the ISO files you downloaded to make sure
>>>> they're not corrupted.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 5:50 PM, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim<ahmad at koutbo6.com> wrote:
>>>>> Same problem of missing packages happened with trixbox 2.6, I dont know
>>>>> what is the cause of this, looks like a problem with my LG
>>>>> DVD/CD-Writer. And I dont think Trixbox 2.8 is broken.
>>>>>
>>>>> I will try to install trixbox from flash drive, hopefully it will solve
>>>>> my problems.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
>>>>>
>>>>> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim wrote:
>>>>>> Thanks for the tip, looks like 2.8 is broken, whenever i try to install
>>>>>> it gives an error of missing packages, downloading 2.6
>>>>>>
>>>>>> kuwait at q8net.com wrote:
>>>>>>> Trixbox 2.6 based on Asterisk 1.4.x while Trixbox 2.8 is based on the
>>>>>>> new tree of Asterisk 1.6.x. Both should be stable but the 1.6.x has more
>>>>>>> features to be tested and deployed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I myself started using 2.x which was based on Asterisk 1.2, i would go
>>>>>>> to the lower branch since the main issue everyone suffer from is the
>>>>>>> stability of the driver.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --- On *Mon, 7/27/09, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim /<ahmad at koutbo6.com>/* wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> General mailing list
>>> General at oskw.org
>>> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> General mailing list
> General at oskw.org
> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>



-- 
       Majed B.



From ahmad at koutbo6.com  Tue Jul 28 23:39:38 2009
From: ahmad at koutbo6.com (ahmad at koutbo6.com)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 23:39:38 +0300
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
Message-ID: <RKWJP2DM1tzv.r3BwQ0HP@mail.koutbo6.com>

I tried testdisk deep analysis without luck
Thousands of files already recovered with photorec, 6 hours left, btw photorec support recovery for 180 file format and not just photos

Faulty CD brand used was TDK, succeed with melody

Regards,

Ahmad Al-Ibrahim

-original message-
Subject: Re: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
From: "Majed B." <majedb at gmail.com>
Date: 28/07/2009 11:11 pm

Did you try deep / thorough search with testdisk?

If you need application-specific recovery, use foremost & magicrescue.

Which CD brand were you using?

On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 11:06 PM, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim<ahmad at koutbo6.com> wrote:
> Majed,
>
> I failed to recover using testdisk yesterday, and photorec worked for me.
>
> Trixbox 2.8 finally installed using different CD brand!
>
> Regards,
>
> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
>
> Majed B. wrote:
>> Ahmad,
>>
>> You don't need to recover files. testdisk should be able to fix the
>> filesystem itself and make it usable as it was before.
>>
>> I would suggest you download and boot memtest86
>> (http://www.memtest.org/). You might have buggy/defective RAMs!!!
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 10:43 PM, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim<ahmad at koutbo6.com> wrote:
>>> Majed,
>>>
>>> I've done that already, md5 hash is matching, I'm giving it a try with
>>> different CD's to make sure its not from the CD it self. next step to
>>> install from USB.
>>>
>>> there is another weird thing happening with the installation process of
>>> trixbox, if I dont boot it with 'linux text mem=2048M' some parts of the
>>> installation process are skipped, like choosing the disks to be
>>> formatted and partitioning.
>>>
>>> and thanks for the testdisk tool, saves my life! I started recovering
>>> files using photorec that ships with testdisk, what a cool tool!
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
>>>
>>> Majed B. wrote:
>>>> Ahmad,
>>>>
>>>> Check the md5 hash of the ISO files you downloaded to make sure
>>>> they're not corrupted.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 5:50 PM, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim<ahmad at koutbo6.com> wrote:
>>>>> Same problem of missing packages happened with trixbox 2.6, I dont know
>>>>> what is the cause of this, looks like a problem with my LG
>>>>> DVD/CD-Writer. And I dont think Trixbox 2.8 is broken.
>>>>>
>>>>> I will try to install trixbox from flash drive, hopefully it will solve
>>>>> my problems.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
>>>>>
>>>>> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim wrote:
>>>>>> Thanks for the tip, looks like 2.8 is broken, whenever i try to install
>>>>>> it gives an error of missing packages, downloading 2.6
>>>>>>
>>>>>> kuwait at q8net.com wrote:
>>>>>>> Trixbox 2.6 based on Asterisk 1.4.x while Trixbox 2.8 is based on the
>>>>>>> new tree of Asterisk 1.6.x. Both should be stable but the 1.6.x has more
>>>>>>> features to be tested and deployed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I myself started using 2.x which was based on Asterisk 1.2, i would go
>>>>>>> to the lower branch since the main issue everyone suffer from is the
>>>>>>> stability of the driver.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --- On *Mon, 7/27/09, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim /<ahmad at koutbo6.com>/* wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> General mailing list
>>> General at oskw.org
>>> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> General mailing list
> General at oskw.org
> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>



-- 
       Majed B.

_______________________________________________
General mailing list
General at oskw.org
http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org




From bashar at kuwaitnet.net  Wed Jul 29 01:27:37 2009
From: bashar at kuwaitnet.net (Bashar Al-Abdulhadi)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 01:27:37 +0300
Subject: [General] Google Shows Off Next Android Build -- Donut and not
 2.0
In-Reply-To: <70ed7c3e0907281114n5027fc4aif7fa2ea17cae7c10@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A6EFB4B.10603@kuwaitnet.net>
	<70ed7c3e0907281114n5027fc4aif7fa2ea17cae7c10@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A6F7B59.6030009@kuwaitnet.net>

Majed B. wrote, On 07/28/2009 09:14 PM:

> The problem is that current hardware isn't capable of handling the
> OS's features (including flash) :/
>
> I just read a good review from engadget and I'm disappointed with HTC
> Hero and I may not buy it after all. I'll wait for more reviews, but I
> gotta tell you, the excitement is gone :(
>   
Why ! you mean can't upgrade to Android 2.0 with HTC Hero ?
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From majedb at gmail.com  Wed Jul 29 01:38:27 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 01:38:27 +0300
Subject: [General] Google Shows Off Next Android Build -- Donut and not
	2.0
In-Reply-To: <4A6F7B59.6030009@kuwaitnet.net>
References: <4A6EFB4B.10603@kuwaitnet.net>
	<70ed7c3e0907281114n5027fc4aif7fa2ea17cae7c10@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A6F7B59.6030009@kuwaitnet.net>
Message-ID: <70ed7c3e0907281538k539f5243pe407941d6e4a5298@mail.gmail.com>

You can, but according to the current reviews, Hero's hardware is
barely able to run Cupcake (1.5) !!!

On 7/29/09, Bashar Al-Abdulhadi <bashar at kuwaitnet.net> wrote:
> Majed B. wrote, On 07/28/2009 09:14 PM:
>
>> The problem is that current hardware isn't capable of handling the
>> OS's features (including flash) :/
>>
>> I just read a good review from engadget and I'm disappointed with HTC
>> Hero and I may not buy it after all. I'll wait for more reviews, but I
>> gotta tell you, the excitement is gone :(
>>
> Why ! you mean can't upgrade to Android 2.0 with HTC Hero ?
>


-- 
       Majed B.



From bashar at kuwaitnet.net  Wed Jul 29 01:53:10 2009
From: bashar at kuwaitnet.net (Bashar Al-Abdulhadi)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 01:53:10 +0300
Subject: [General] Google Shows Off Next Android Build -- Donut and not
 2.0
In-Reply-To: <70ed7c3e0907281538k539f5243pe407941d6e4a5298@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A6EFB4B.10603@kuwaitnet.net>	<70ed7c3e0907281114n5027fc4aif7fa2ea17cae7c10@mail.gmail.com>	<4A6F7B59.6030009@kuwaitnet.net>
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From majedb at gmail.com  Wed Jul 29 02:09:07 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:09:07 +0300
Subject: [General] Google Shows Off Next Android Build -- Donut and not
	2.0
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http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/htc-hero-review/

On 7/29/09, Bashar Al-Abdulhadi <bashar at kuwaitnet.net> wrote:
> where did you read that?
>
>
>
> Majed B. wrote, On 07/29/2009 01:38 AM:
>>
>> You can, but according to the current reviews, Hero's hardware is
>> barely able to run Cupcake (1.5) !!!
>>
>> On 7/29/09, Bashar Al-Abdulhadi <bashar at kuwaitnet.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Majed B. wrote, On 07/28/2009 09:14 PM:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> The problem is that current hardware isn't capable of handling the
>>>> OS's features (including flash) :/
>>>>
>>>> I just read a good review from engadget and I'm disappointed with HTC
>>>> Hero and I may not buy it after all. I'll wait for more reviews, but I
>>>> gotta tell you, the excitement is gone :(
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Why ! you mean can't upgrade to Android 2.0 with HTC Hero ?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>


-- 
       Majed B.



From ahmad at koutbo6.com  Wed Jul 29 05:27:48 2009
From: ahmad at koutbo6.com (Ahmad Al-Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 05:27:48 +0300
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <4A6E4FD8.4000508@techsys.net>
References: <373538.21999.qm@web76110.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>
	<4A6E4FD8.4000508@techsys.net>
Message-ID: <4A6FB3A4.1060007@koutbo6.com>

Fring is proxying SIP calls, I wasnt able to use it to connect to my LAN
PBX, it has to go through their network.

Regards,

Ahmad Al-Ibrahim

Eng. Sabah Al-Sabah wrote:
> Warning,
> 
> I read some where in the net, that Fringe is a proxy that belong to an
> Israeli (13 Kehilat Saloniki St. Tel-Aviv 69315 Israel)
> When you use their proxy to connect to your PBX, all voice go through
> their system!!! ie. Kiss Privacy good bye!!!
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> ============================
> 
> Eng. Sabah Al-Sabah
> 
> General Manager
> 
> Technical Systems Est.
> 
> sabah at techsys.net
> 
> www.techsys.net
> 
> ============================ 
> 
> 
> 
> Faisal AlAbhoul wrote:
>> I managed to link an old imate using Fring with Asterisk, the quality
>> of sound is not bad at all. I think Fring runs on many phones now, so
>> far its the best solution i had with Asterisk in a mobile phone.
>>
>> This is the website for Fring http://www.fring.com
>>
>>
>> --- On *Tue, 7/28/09, Majed B. /<majedb at gmail.com>/* wrote:
>>
>>
>>     From: Majed B. <majedb at gmail.com>
>>     Subject: Re: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
>>     To: "General OpenSource Discussion" <general at oskw.org>
>>     Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 1:24 AM
>>
>>     Hopefully my DSL would work within the next 2 days. I then will try to
>>     make & receive calls from dewaniya over Internet using my landline at
>>     home!
>>
>>     Unfortunately, my mobile is an old Nokia 9500 which doesn't have SIP
>>     and 3rd party programs are buggy, so for now, I'm limited to using my
>>     laptop as a testbed.
>>
>>     On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 1:17 AM, Ahmad
>>     Al-Ibrahim<ahmad at koutbo6.com </mc/compose?to=ahmad at koutbo6.com>>
>>     wrote:
>>     > Majed,
>>     >
>>     > Looking forward for your next post. I think Bo Rashed and Bashar
>>     know
>>     > about SIP phones, my plan is to use it with SIP enabled mobile
>>     phones.
>>     >
>>     > Regards,
>>     >
>>     > Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
>>     -- 
>>            Majed B..
>>
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From ahmad at koutbo6.com  Wed Jul 29 06:14:39 2009
From: ahmad at koutbo6.com (Ahmad Al-Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 06:14:39 +0300
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <4A69DCAB.3030207@kuwaitnet.net>
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I've tested it with Nokia E71 and it sucks! I was able to make calls,
but I cannot receive calls.. and the phone performance sucked, slow,
hanged many times. I've tested it with fring and it works fine, I was
able to make calls from my laptop to mobile and vice-versa through the
internet.

This is cool, cant wait for OpenVox card to arrive :)

Regards,

Ahmad Al-Ibrahim

Bashar Al-Abdulhadi wrote:
> nice! how about testing it over the internet say using SIP based mobile?
> i.e nokia.E71? ;)
> 
> 
> 
> Majed B. wrote, On 07/24/2009 06:57 PM:
> 
>> I finished writing the steps I took to configure trixbox & making
>> caller id work.
>>
>> http://mbhtech.blogspot.com/2009/07/configuring-asterisktrixbox-for-kuwait.html
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Bashar
>> Al-Abdulhadi<bashar at kuwaitnet.net> wrote:
>>  
>>> yes when it comes of renting your own E1, and purchasing a call
>>> manager and
>>> all its related devices then you need a local guy to manage it
>>>
>>>
>>> with FT's you only pay per extension and everything is hosted at their
>>> premises and every office/location you add just get a single data
>>> link and
>>> put as many extensions as you want on that location
>>>     
> 
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From burhan.khalid at gmail.com  Wed Jul 29 09:15:32 2009
From: burhan.khalid at gmail.com (Burhan Khalid)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 09:15:32 +0300
Subject: [General] Google Shows Off Next Android Build -- Donut and not
	2.0
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That review is the complete opposite to what I have heard (and used). I
wouldn't base my decision solely on that. The main concern is the laggy
response times of the device, which is probably due to people loading up
widgets that need to grab stuff from the Internet. There is an option to go
back to the classic Android setup without the widgets, which speeds up the
response time considerably.

You have to keep in mind that 99.9% of the lag on the Hero is due to the
"sense ui" of HTC. If you put a vanilla cupcake ROM on it, the device is
very smooth.



On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 2:09 AM, Majed B. <majedb at gmail.com> wrote:

> http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/htc-hero-review/
>
> On 7/29/09, Bashar Al-Abdulhadi <bashar at kuwaitnet.net> wrote:
> > where did you read that?
> >
> >
> >
> > Majed B. wrote, On 07/29/2009 01:38 AM:
> >>
> >> You can, but according to the current reviews, Hero's hardware is
> >> barely able to run Cupcake (1.5) !!!
> >>
> >> On 7/29/09, Bashar Al-Abdulhadi <bashar at kuwaitnet.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Majed B. wrote, On 07/28/2009 09:14 PM:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> The problem is that current hardware isn't capable of handling the
> >>>> OS's features (including flash) :/
> >>>>
> >>>> I just read a good review from engadget and I'm disappointed with HTC
> >>>> Hero and I may not buy it after all. I'll wait for more reviews, but I
> >>>> gotta tell you, the excitement is gone :(
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Why ! you mean can't upgrade to Android 2.0 with HTC Hero ?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>  --
>       Majed B.
>
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From majedb at gmail.com  Wed Jul 29 10:27:53 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 10:27:53 +0300
Subject: [General] Google Shows Off Next Android Build -- Donut and not
	2.0
In-Reply-To: <828fd6cc0907282315u2b5fe3acoa3f8b805533cdfbb@mail.gmail.com>
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Burhan,

The thing is that the Sense UI made navigating through the OS much
easier and more fun. Why would you want to jump hoops just to reach
the profile settings, when it's just one finger touch away?

Also, flash support is laggy & choppy, as mentioned. Something which
shouldn't happen when they're touting the feature on the phone :/

Anyway, as I said before, I'm waiting for more reviews to surface.
Amazon UK's shipping date was pushed back from July 15th till August
15th, so I'm not expecting any reviews from UK, that's for sure!

Also, Samsung is taking too long to release their i7500!!!

P.S.: HTC's internal storage is 800MB only, while Samsung's 4GB. On
Android, you can install applications only to the internal memory.

On 7/29/09, Burhan Khalid <burhan.khalid at gmail.com> wrote:
> That review is the complete opposite to what I have heard (and used). I
> wouldn't base my decision solely on that. The main concern is the laggy
> response times of the device, which is probably due to people loading up
> widgets that need to grab stuff from the Internet. There is an option to go
> back to the classic Android setup without the widgets, which speeds up the
> response time considerably.
>
> You have to keep in mind that 99.9% of the lag on the Hero is due to the
> "sense ui" of HTC. If you put a vanilla cupcake ROM on it, the device is
> very smooth.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 2:09 AM, Majed B. <majedb at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/htc-hero-review/
>>
>> On 7/29/09, Bashar Al-Abdulhadi <bashar at kuwaitnet.net> wrote:
>> > where did you read that?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Majed B. wrote, On 07/29/2009 01:38 AM:
>> >>
>> >> You can, but according to the current reviews, Hero's hardware is
>> >> barely able to run Cupcake (1.5) !!!
>> >>
>> >> On 7/29/09, Bashar Al-Abdulhadi <bashar at kuwaitnet.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> Majed B. wrote, On 07/28/2009 09:14 PM:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The problem is that current hardware isn't capable of handling the
>> >>>> OS's features (including flash) :/
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I just read a good review from engadget and I'm disappointed with HTC
>> >>>> Hero and I may not buy it after all. I'll wait for more reviews, but
>> >>>> I
>> >>>> gotta tell you, the excitement is gone :(
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Why ! you mean can't upgrade to Android 2.0 with HTC Hero ?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>
>>  --
>>       Majed B.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> General mailing list
>> General at oskw.org
>> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>>
>


-- 
       Majed B.



From bashar.abdullah at gmail.com  Wed Jul 29 11:20:00 2009
From: bashar.abdullah at gmail.com (bashar abdullah)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 11:20:00 +0300
Subject: [General] Google Shows Off Next Android Build -- Donut and not
	2.0
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I've always hated the hardware used for Android phones. But why is Android
limited to internal memory only?


On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Majed B. <majedb at gmail.com> wrote:

> Burhan,
>
> The thing is that the Sense UI made navigating through the OS much
> easier and more fun. Why would you want to jump hoops just to reach
> the profile settings, when it's just one finger touch away?
>
> Also, flash support is laggy & choppy, as mentioned. Something which
> shouldn't happen when they're touting the feature on the phone :/
>
> Anyway, as I said before, I'm waiting for more reviews to surface.
> Amazon UK's shipping date was pushed back from July 15th till August
> 15th, so I'm not expecting any reviews from UK, that's for sure!
>
> Also, Samsung is taking too long to release their i7500!!!
>
> P.S.: HTC's internal storage is 800MB only, while Samsung's 4GB. On
> Android, you can install applications only to the internal memory.
>
> On 7/29/09, Burhan Khalid <burhan.khalid at gmail.com> wrote:
> > That review is the complete opposite to what I have heard (and used). I
> > wouldn't base my decision solely on that. The main concern is the laggy
> > response times of the device, which is probably due to people loading up
> > widgets that need to grab stuff from the Internet. There is an option to
> go
> > back to the classic Android setup without the widgets, which speeds up
> the
> > response time considerably.
> >
> > You have to keep in mind that 99.9% of the lag on the Hero is due to the
> > "sense ui" of HTC. If you put a vanilla cupcake ROM on it, the device is
> > very smooth.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 2:09 AM, Majed B. <majedb at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/htc-hero-review/
> >>
> >> On 7/29/09, Bashar Al-Abdulhadi <bashar at kuwaitnet.net> wrote:
> >> > where did you read that?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Majed B. wrote, On 07/29/2009 01:38 AM:
> >> >>
> >> >> You can, but according to the current reviews, Hero's hardware is
> >> >> barely able to run Cupcake (1.5) !!!
> >> >>
> >> >> On 7/29/09, Bashar Al-Abdulhadi <bashar at kuwaitnet.net> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Majed B. wrote, On 07/28/2009 09:14 PM:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> The problem is that current hardware isn't capable of handling the
> >> >>>> OS's features (including flash) :/
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> I just read a good review from engadget and I'm disappointed with
> HTC
> >> >>>> Hero and I may not buy it after all. I'll wait for more reviews,
> but
> >> >>>> I
> >> >>>> gotta tell you, the excitement is gone :(
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Why ! you mean can't upgrade to Android 2.0 with HTC Hero ?
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>  --
> >>       Majed B.
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> General mailing list
> >> General at oskw.org
> >> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
> >>
> >
>
>
> --
>        Majed B.
>
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From majedb at gmail.com  Wed Jul 29 11:31:39 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 11:31:39 +0300
Subject: [General] Google Shows Off Next Android Build -- Donut and not
	2.0
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No clue. I guess it's a design issue. Or a security issue (they don't
want people plugging memory cards into your device and autorun stuff?
Is autorun even possible?!?!)

*shrug*

On 7/29/09, bashar abdullah <bashar.abdullah at gmail.com> wrote:
> I've always hated the hardware used for Android phones. But why is Android
> limited to internal memory only?
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Majed B. <majedb at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Burhan,
>>
>> The thing is that the Sense UI made navigating through the OS much
>> easier and more fun. Why would you want to jump hoops just to reach
>> the profile settings, when it's just one finger touch away?
>>
>> Also, flash support is laggy & choppy, as mentioned. Something which
>> shouldn't happen when they're touting the feature on the phone :/
>>
>> Anyway, as I said before, I'm waiting for more reviews to surface.
>> Amazon UK's shipping date was pushed back from July 15th till August
>> 15th, so I'm not expecting any reviews from UK, that's for sure!
>>
>> Also, Samsung is taking too long to release their i7500!!!
>>
>> P.S.: HTC's internal storage is 800MB only, while Samsung's 4GB. On
>> Android, you can install applications only to the internal memory.
>>
>> On 7/29/09, Burhan Khalid <burhan.khalid at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > That review is the complete opposite to what I have heard (and used). I
>> > wouldn't base my decision solely on that. The main concern is the laggy
>> > response times of the device, which is probably due to people loading up
>> > widgets that need to grab stuff from the Internet. There is an option to
>> go
>> > back to the classic Android setup without the widgets, which speeds up
>> the
>> > response time considerably.
>> >
>> > You have to keep in mind that 99.9% of the lag on the Hero is due to the
>> > "sense ui" of HTC. If you put a vanilla cupcake ROM on it, the device is
>> > very smooth.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 2:09 AM, Majed B. <majedb at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/htc-hero-review/
>> >>
>> >> On 7/29/09, Bashar Al-Abdulhadi <bashar at kuwaitnet.net> wrote:
>> >> > where did you read that?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Majed B. wrote, On 07/29/2009 01:38 AM:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> You can, but according to the current reviews, Hero's hardware is
>> >> >> barely able to run Cupcake (1.5) !!!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On 7/29/09, Bashar Al-Abdulhadi <bashar at kuwaitnet.net> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Majed B. wrote, On 07/28/2009 09:14 PM:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> The problem is that current hardware isn't capable of handling the
>> >> >>>> OS's features (including flash) :/
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> I just read a good review from engadget and I'm disappointed with
>> HTC
>> >> >>>> Hero and I may not buy it after all. I'll wait for more reviews,
>> but
>> >> >>>> I
>> >> >>>> gotta tell you, the excitement is gone :(
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Why ! you mean can't upgrade to Android 2.0 with HTC Hero ?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>  --
>> >>       Majed B.
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> General mailing list
>> >> General at oskw.org
>> >> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>> >>
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>>        Majed B.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> General mailing list
>> General at oskw.org
>> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>>
>


-- 
       Majed B.



From burhan.khalid at gmail.com  Wed Jul 29 11:42:29 2009
From: burhan.khalid at gmail.com (Burhan Khalid)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 11:42:29 +0300
Subject: [General] Google Shows Off Next Android Build -- Donut and not
	2.0
In-Reply-To: <862afa530907290120k54208357s571b49ddd83ff52b@mail.gmail.com>
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The Hero is released already. You can order it from expansys.com (or
www.expansys.ae), they have a waiting list but its available "sim free".

The reason its limited to internal memory is to prevent piracy, since apps
can easily be ported (that's one theory).

However, you can "jailbreak" the device and then install apps on the memory
card.

On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:20 AM, bashar abdullah <bashar.abdullah at gmail.com
> wrote:

> I've always hated the hardware used for Android phones. But why is Android
> limited to internal memory only?
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Majed B. <majedb at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Burhan,
>>
>> The thing is that the Sense UI made navigating through the OS much
>> easier and more fun. Why would you want to jump hoops just to reach
>> the profile settings, when it's just one finger touch away?
>>
>> Also, flash support is laggy & choppy, as mentioned. Something which
>> shouldn't happen when they're touting the feature on the phone :/
>>
>> Anyway, as I said before, I'm waiting for more reviews to surface.
>> Amazon UK's shipping date was pushed back from July 15th till August
>> 15th, so I'm not expecting any reviews from UK, that's for sure!
>>
>> Also, Samsung is taking too long to release their i7500!!!
>>
>> P.S.: HTC's internal storage is 800MB only, while Samsung's 4GB. On
>> Android, you can install applications only to the internal memory.
>>
>> On 7/29/09, Burhan Khalid <burhan.khalid at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > That review is the complete opposite to what I have heard (and used). I
>> > wouldn't base my decision solely on that. The main concern is the laggy
>> > response times of the device, which is probably due to people loading up
>> > widgets that need to grab stuff from the Internet. There is an option to
>> go
>> > back to the classic Android setup without the widgets, which speeds up
>> the
>> > response time considerably.
>> >
>> > You have to keep in mind that 99.9% of the lag on the Hero is due to the
>> > "sense ui" of HTC. If you put a vanilla cupcake ROM on it, the device is
>> > very smooth.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 2:09 AM, Majed B. <majedb at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/htc-hero-review/
>> >>
>> >> On 7/29/09, Bashar Al-Abdulhadi <bashar at kuwaitnet.net> wrote:
>> >> > where did you read that?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Majed B. wrote, On 07/29/2009 01:38 AM:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> You can, but according to the current reviews, Hero's hardware is
>> >> >> barely able to run Cupcake (1.5) !!!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On 7/29/09, Bashar Al-Abdulhadi <bashar at kuwaitnet.net> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Majed B. wrote, On 07/28/2009 09:14 PM:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> The problem is that current hardware isn't capable of handling the
>> >> >>>> OS's features (including flash) :/
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> I just read a good review from engadget and I'm disappointed with
>> HTC
>> >> >>>> Hero and I may not buy it after all. I'll wait for more reviews,
>> but
>> >> >>>> I
>> >> >>>> gotta tell you, the excitement is gone :(
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Why ! you mean can't upgrade to Android 2.0 with HTC Hero ?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>  --
>> >>       Majed B.
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> General mailing list
>> >> General at oskw.org
>> >> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>> >>
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>>        Majed B.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> General mailing list
>> General at oskw.org
>> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
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From bashar at kuwaitnet.net  Wed Jul 29 18:53:01 2009
From: bashar at kuwaitnet.net (Bashar Al-Abdulhadi)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 18:53:01 +0300
Subject: [General] Google Shows Off Next Android Build -- Donut and not
 2.0
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From majedb at gmail.com  Wed Jul 29 19:45:27 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 19:45:27 +0300
Subject: [General] Google Shows Off Next Android Build -- Donut and not
	2.0
In-Reply-To: <4A70705D.9050806@kuwaitnet.net>
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Bashar,
When are you expecting to receive the phone??? I would like a full
experience report please!!!
- Battery life: 3G with & without using wireless
- Visiting flash-infested websites: killfrog.com, youtube.com
- Ease of use & reaching often-used options
- Layout of keys: Is it convenient?

Thanks in advance :D

On 7/29/09, Bashar Al-Abdulhadi <bashar at kuwaitnet.net> wrote:
> Ahmad and I already ordered the Hero
>
>
> both devicewire.co.uk and supergps.co.uk has them in stock if you're in
> hurry like us :D
>
>
> i'm not sure about the internal memory thing though !
>
>
> Majed B. wrote, On 07/29/2009 10:27 AM:
>>
>> Burhan,
>>
>> The thing is that the Sense UI made navigating through the OS much
>> easier and more fun. Why would you want to jump hoops just to reach
>> the profile settings, when it's just one finger touch away?
>>
>> Also, flash support is laggy & choppy, as mentioned. Something which
>> shouldn't happen when they're touting the feature on the phone :/
>>
>> Anyway, as I said before, I'm waiting for more reviews to surface.
>> Amazon UK's shipping date was pushed back from July 15th till August
>> 15th, so I'm not expecting any reviews from UK, that's for sure!
>>
>> Also, Samsung is taking too long to release their i7500!!!
>>
>> P.S.: HTC's internal storage is 800MB only, while Samsung's 4GB. On
>> Android, you can install applications only to the internal memory.
>>
>> On 7/29/09, Burhan Khalid <burhan.khalid at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> That review is the complete opposite to what I have heard (and used). I
>>> wouldn't base my decision solely on that. The main concern is the laggy
>>> response times of the device, which is probably due to people loading up
>>> widgets that need to grab stuff from the Internet. There is an option to
>>> go
>>> back to the classic Android setup without the widgets, which speeds up
>>> the
>>> response time considerably.
>>>
>>> You have to keep in mind that 99.9% of the lag on the Hero is due to the
>>> "sense ui" of HTC. If you put a vanilla cupcake ROM on it, the device is
>>> very smooth.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 2:09 AM, Majed B. <majedb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/htc-hero-review/
>>>>
>>>> On 7/29/09, Bashar Al-Abdulhadi <bashar at kuwaitnet.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> where did you read that?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Majed B. wrote, On 07/29/2009 01:38 AM:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can, but according to the current reviews, Hero's hardware is
>>>>>> barely able to run Cupcake (1.5) !!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 7/29/09, Bashar Al-Abdulhadi <bashar at kuwaitnet.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Majed B. wrote, On 07/28/2009 09:14 PM:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The problem is that current hardware isn't capable of handling the
>>>>>>>> OS's features (including flash) :/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I just read a good review from engadget and I'm disappointed with
>>>>>>>> HTC
>>>>>>>> Hero and I may not buy it after all. I'll wait for more reviews, but
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> gotta tell you, the excitement is gone :(
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why ! you mean can't upgrade to Android 2.0 with HTC Hero ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  --
>>>>       Majed B.
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> General mailing list
>>>> General at oskw.org
>>>> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>


-- 
       Majed B.



From ahmad at koutbo6.com  Wed Jul 29 20:16:24 2009
From: ahmad at koutbo6.com (Ahmad Al-Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 20:16:24 +0300
Subject: [General] sipdroid - SIP for Android
Message-ID: <4A7083E8.4040402@koutbo6.com>

SIP client for Android devices http://sipdroid.org/
hopefully it will be a good SIP client, I will review it once I get my
hands on HTC Hero

Regards,

Ahmad Al-Ibrahim



From ahmad at koutbo6.com  Thu Jul 30 02:05:19 2009
From: ahmad at koutbo6.com (Ahmad Al-Ibrahim)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 02:05:19 +0300
Subject: [General] Firefox 4.0 screenshots
Message-ID: <4A70D5AF.1030109@koutbo6.com>

http://mashable.com/2009/07/27/firefox-40/



From ahmad at koutbo6.com  Thu Jul 30 13:24:17 2009
From: ahmad at koutbo6.com (Ahmad Al-Ibrahim)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 13:24:17 +0300
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <4A6FBE9F.1090801@koutbo6.com>
References: <70ed7c3e0907122323x73b143f3q97f2b2d77d2af551@mail.gmail.com>	<70ed7c3e0907211332j5c7d50mcc1a08da7f009ba0@mail.gmail.com>	<70ed7c3e0907231605k44c8ce40m9f4bfee0977b41d7@mail.gmail.com>	<4A68F39B.3040304@kuwaitnet.net>	<70ed7c3e0907231644p6a6febe4k69c517ceaa893a06@mail.gmail.com>	<4A68FDD4.6030208@kuwaitnet.net>	<70ed7c3e0907231850y1b6a1cecpf381e6e3aea24f03@mail.gmail.com>	<4A69152B.2030300@kuwaitnet.net>	<70ed7c3e0907240130i62569783rb743a9a7d8c3170e@mail.gmail.com>	<4A69D1E8.2040504@kuwaitnet.net>	<70ed7c3e0907240857x4b259fe2h6245652d56b0e274@mail.gmail.com>	<4A69DCAB.3030207@kuwaitnet.net>
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Message-ID: <4A7174D1.5050503@koutbo6.com>

Update to the below post. Nokia E71 worked fine without problems after
updating to the latest firmware that was released weeks ago. Now I can
send/receive calls natively from mobile without using 3rd party apps and
 going through proxies.

Other application to consider is Nimbizz, has SIP, IM networks, Skype
support, considered as a competitor to fring, and it looks better,
responsive and usability is way better than fring. the bad thing is they
proxy the communications just like fring.

Regards,

Ahmad Al-Ibrahim

Ahmad Al-Ibrahim wrote:
> I've tested it with Nokia E71 and it sucks! I was able to make calls,
> but I cannot receive calls.. and the phone performance sucked, slow,
> hanged many times. I've tested it with fring and it works fine, I was
> able to make calls from my laptop to mobile and vice-versa through the
> internet.
> 
> This is cool, cant wait for OpenVox card to arrive :)
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
> 
> Bashar Al-Abdulhadi wrote:
>> nice! how about testing it over the internet say using SIP based mobile?
>> i.e nokia.E71? ;)
>>
>>
>>
>> Majed B. wrote, On 07/24/2009 06:57 PM:
>>
>>> I finished writing the steps I took to configure trixbox & making
>>> caller id work.
>>>
>>> http://mbhtech.blogspot.com/2009/07/configuring-asterisktrixbox-for-kuwait.html
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Bashar
>>> Al-Abdulhadi<bashar at kuwaitnet.net> wrote:
>>>  
>>>> yes when it comes of renting your own E1, and purchasing a call
>>>> manager and
>>>> all its related devices then you need a local guy to manage it
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> with FT's you only pay per extension and everything is hosted at their
>>>> premises and every office/location you add just get a single data
>>>> link and
>>>> put as many extensions as you want on that location
>>>>     
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> General mailing list
>> General at oskw.org
>> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> General at oskw.org
> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
> 



From majedb at gmail.com  Thu Jul 30 13:27:27 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 13:27:27 +0300
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <4A7174D1.5050503@koutbo6.com>
References: <70ed7c3e0907122323x73b143f3q97f2b2d77d2af551@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A68FDD4.6030208@kuwaitnet.net>
	<70ed7c3e0907231850y1b6a1cecpf381e6e3aea24f03@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A69152B.2030300@kuwaitnet.net>
	<70ed7c3e0907240130i62569783rb743a9a7d8c3170e@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A69D1E8.2040504@kuwaitnet.net>
	<70ed7c3e0907240857x4b259fe2h6245652d56b0e274@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A69DCAB.3030207@kuwaitnet.net> <4A6FBE9F.1090801@koutbo6.com>
	<4A7174D1.5050503@koutbo6.com>
Message-ID: <70ed7c3e0907300327gd50beeby915c1f45d2910046@mail.gmail.com>

That's in trixbox 2.8 or 2.6? Do you think you can compare the
features in these two versions, or at least see if your phone could
work with 2.6?

Thanks!

On 7/30/09, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim <ahmad at koutbo6.com> wrote:
> Update to the below post. Nokia E71 worked fine without problems after
> updating to the latest firmware that was released weeks ago. Now I can
> send/receive calls natively from mobile without using 3rd party apps and
>  going through proxies.
>
> Other application to consider is Nimbizz, has SIP, IM networks, Skype
> support, considered as a competitor to fring, and it looks better,
> responsive and usability is way better than fring. the bad thing is they
> proxy the communications just like fring.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
>
> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim wrote:
>> I've tested it with Nokia E71 and it sucks! I was able to make calls,
>> but I cannot receive calls.. and the phone performance sucked, slow,
>> hanged many times. I've tested it with fring and it works fine, I was
>> able to make calls from my laptop to mobile and vice-versa through the
>> internet.
>>
>> This is cool, cant wait for OpenVox card to arrive :)
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
>>
>> Bashar Al-Abdulhadi wrote:
>>> nice! how about testing it over the internet say using SIP based mobile?
>>> i.e nokia.E71? ;)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Majed B. wrote, On 07/24/2009 06:57 PM:
>>>
>>>> I finished writing the steps I took to configure trixbox & making
>>>> caller id work.
>>>>
>>>> http://mbhtech.blogspot.com/2009/07/configuring-asterisktrixbox-for-kuwait.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Bashar
>>>> Al-Abdulhadi<bashar at kuwaitnet.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> yes when it comes of renting your own E1, and purchasing a call
>>>>> manager and
>>>>> all its related devices then you need a local guy to manage it
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> with FT's you only pay per extension and everything is hosted at their
>>>>> premises and every office/location you add just get a single data
>>>>> link and
>>>>> put as many extensions as you want on that location
>>>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> General mailing list
>>> General at oskw.org
>>> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> General mailing list
>> General at oskw.org
>> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> General mailing list
> General at oskw.org
> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>


-- 
       Majed B.



From ahmad at koutbo6.com  Thu Jul 30 13:36:10 2009
From: ahmad at koutbo6.com (Ahmad Al-Ibrahim)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 13:36:10 +0300
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <70ed7c3e0907300327gd50beeby915c1f45d2910046@mail.gmail.com>
References: <70ed7c3e0907122323x73b143f3q97f2b2d77d2af551@mail.gmail.com>	<4A68FDD4.6030208@kuwaitnet.net>	<70ed7c3e0907231850y1b6a1cecpf381e6e3aea24f03@mail.gmail.com>	<4A69152B.2030300@kuwaitnet.net>	<70ed7c3e0907240130i62569783rb743a9a7d8c3170e@mail.gmail.com>	<4A69D1E8.2040504@kuwaitnet.net>	<70ed7c3e0907240857x4b259fe2h6245652d56b0e274@mail.gmail.com>	<4A69DCAB.3030207@kuwaitnet.net>
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	<70ed7c3e0907300327gd50beeby915c1f45d2910046@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A71779A.3050009@koutbo6.com>

I'm using Trixbox 2.8, haven't tried 2.6 to be able to compare the two
versions. One cool feature, is when I get calls and the mobile is not
connected to the PBX, a voice mail is recorded and once I connect to the
PBX.. guess what? I get an SMS in my messages inbox from the PBX telling
me you have 4 unread voice mails dial *97 to listen to your voice mails!

Regards,

Ahmad Al-Ibrahim

Majed B. wrote:
> That's in trixbox 2.8 or 2.6? Do you think you can compare the
> features in these two versions, or at least see if your phone could
> work with 2.6?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> On 7/30/09, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim <ahmad at koutbo6.com> wrote:
>> Update to the below post. Nokia E71 worked fine without problems after
>> updating to the latest firmware that was released weeks ago. Now I can
>> send/receive calls natively from mobile without using 3rd party apps and
>>  going through proxies.
>>
>> Other application to consider is Nimbizz, has SIP, IM networks, Skype
>> support, considered as a competitor to fring, and it looks better,
>> responsive and usability is way better than fring. the bad thing is they
>> proxy the communications just like fring.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
>>
>> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim wrote:
>>> I've tested it with Nokia E71 and it sucks! I was able to make calls,
>>> but I cannot receive calls.. and the phone performance sucked, slow,
>>> hanged many times. I've tested it with fring and it works fine, I was
>>> able to make calls from my laptop to mobile and vice-versa through the
>>> internet.
>>>
>>> This is cool, cant wait for OpenVox card to arrive :)
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
>>>
>>> Bashar Al-Abdulhadi wrote:
>>>> nice! how about testing it over the internet say using SIP based mobile?
>>>> i.e nokia.E71? ;)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Majed B. wrote, On 07/24/2009 06:57 PM:
>>>>
>>>>> I finished writing the steps I took to configure trixbox & making
>>>>> caller id work.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://mbhtech.blogspot.com/2009/07/configuring-asterisktrixbox-for-kuwait.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Bashar
>>>>> Al-Abdulhadi<bashar at kuwaitnet.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> yes when it comes of renting your own E1, and purchasing a call
>>>>>> manager and
>>>>>> all its related devices then you need a local guy to manage it
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> with FT's you only pay per extension and everything is hosted at their
>>>>>> premises and every office/location you add just get a single data
>>>>>> link and
>>>>>> put as many extensions as you want on that location
>>>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> General mailing list
>>>> General at oskw.org
>>>> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> General mailing list
>>> General at oskw.org
>>> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> General mailing list
>> General at oskw.org
>> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>>
> 
> 



From majedb at gmail.com  Thu Jul 30 14:02:38 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 14:02:38 +0300
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <4A71779A.3050009@koutbo6.com>
References: <70ed7c3e0907122323x73b143f3q97f2b2d77d2af551@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A69152B.2030300@kuwaitnet.net>
	<70ed7c3e0907240130i62569783rb743a9a7d8c3170e@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A69D1E8.2040504@kuwaitnet.net>
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The messages inbox? Do you mean the one in the user mode? The web portal?

On 7/30/09, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim <ahmad at koutbo6.com> wrote:
> I'm using Trixbox 2.8, haven't tried 2.6 to be able to compare the two
> versions. One cool feature, is when I get calls and the mobile is not
> connected to the PBX, a voice mail is recorded and once I connect to the
> PBX.. guess what? I get an SMS in my messages inbox from the PBX telling
> me you have 4 unread voice mails dial *97 to listen to your voice mails!
>
> Regards,
>
> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
>
> Majed B. wrote:
>> That's in trixbox 2.8 or 2.6? Do you think you can compare the
>> features in these two versions, or at least see if your phone could
>> work with 2.6?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> On 7/30/09, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim <ahmad at koutbo6.com> wrote:
>>> Update to the below post. Nokia E71 worked fine without problems after
>>> updating to the latest firmware that was released weeks ago. Now I can
>>> send/receive calls natively from mobile without using 3rd party apps and
>>>  going through proxies.
>>>
>>> Other application to consider is Nimbizz, has SIP, IM networks, Skype
>>> support, considered as a competitor to fring, and it looks better,
>>> responsive and usability is way better than fring. the bad thing is they
>>> proxy the communications just like fring.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
>>>
>>> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim wrote:
>>>> I've tested it with Nokia E71 and it sucks! I was able to make calls,
>>>> but I cannot receive calls.. and the phone performance sucked, slow,
>>>> hanged many times. I've tested it with fring and it works fine, I was
>>>> able to make calls from my laptop to mobile and vice-versa through the
>>>> internet.
>>>>
>>>> This is cool, cant wait for OpenVox card to arrive :)
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
>>>>
>>>> Bashar Al-Abdulhadi wrote:
>>>>> nice! how about testing it over the internet say using SIP based
>>>>> mobile?
>>>>> i.e nokia.E71? ;)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Majed B. wrote, On 07/24/2009 06:57 PM:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I finished writing the steps I took to configure trixbox & making
>>>>>> caller id work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://mbhtech.blogspot.com/2009/07/configuring-asterisktrixbox-for-kuwait.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Bashar
>>>>>> Al-Abdulhadi<bashar at kuwaitnet.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> yes when it comes of renting your own E1, and purchasing a call
>>>>>>> manager and
>>>>>>> all its related devices then you need a local guy to manage it
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> with FT's you only pay per extension and everything is hosted at
>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>> premises and every office/location you add just get a single data
>>>>>>> link and
>>>>>>> put as many extensions as you want on that location
>>>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> General mailing list
>>>>> General at oskw.org
>>>>> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> General mailing list
>>>> General at oskw.org
>>>> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> General mailing list
>>> General at oskw.org
>>> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>>>
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> General mailing list
> General at oskw.org
> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>


-- 
       Majed B.



From ahmad at koutbo6.com  Thu Jul 30 14:10:51 2009
From: ahmad at koutbo6.com (Ahmad Al-Ibrahim)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 14:10:51 +0300
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <70ed7c3e0907300402t402adbc8r1016c2c07ae0900f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <70ed7c3e0907122323x73b143f3q97f2b2d77d2af551@mail.gmail.com>
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	<70ed7c3e0907300402t402adbc8r1016c2c07ae0900f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3722313383ad657fef60a6f7eb775d0c@localhost>


Mobile messaging inbox, with the sms messages!

On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 14:02:38 +0300, "Majed B." <majedb at gmail.com> wrote:
> The messages inbox? Do you mean the one in the user mode? The web portal?
> 
> On 7/30/09, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim <ahmad at koutbo6.com> wrote:
>> I'm using Trixbox 2.8, haven't tried 2.6 to be able to compare the two
>> versions. One cool feature, is when I get calls and the mobile is not
>> connected to the PBX, a voice mail is recorded and once I connect to the
>> PBX.. guess what? I get an SMS in my messages inbox from the PBX telling
>> me you have 4 unread voice mails dial *97 to listen to your voice mails!
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
>>
>> Majed B. wrote:
>>> That's in trixbox 2.8 or 2.6? Do you think you can compare the
>>> features in these two versions, or at least see if your phone could
>>> work with 2.6?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> On 7/30/09, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim <ahmad at koutbo6.com> wrote:
>>>> Update to the below post. Nokia E71 worked fine without problems after
>>>> updating to the latest firmware that was released weeks ago. Now I can
>>>> send/receive calls natively from mobile without using 3rd party apps
>>>> and
>>>>  going through proxies.
>>>>
>>>> Other application to consider is Nimbizz, has SIP, IM networks, Skype
>>>> support, considered as a competitor to fring, and it looks better,
>>>> responsive and usability is way better than fring. the bad thing is
>>>> they
>>>> proxy the communications just like fring.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
>>>>
>>>> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim wrote:
>>>>> I've tested it with Nokia E71 and it sucks! I was able to make calls,
>>>>> but I cannot receive calls.. and the phone performance sucked, slow,
>>>>> hanged many times. I've tested it with fring and it works fine, I was
>>>>> able to make calls from my laptop to mobile and vice-versa through
the
>>>>> internet.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is cool, cant wait for OpenVox card to arrive :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
>>>>>
>>>>> Bashar Al-Abdulhadi wrote:
>>>>>> nice! how about testing it over the internet say using SIP based
>>>>>> mobile?
>>>>>> i.e nokia.E71? ;)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Majed B. wrote, On 07/24/2009 06:57 PM:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I finished writing the steps I took to configure trixbox & making
>>>>>>> caller id work.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
http://mbhtech.blogspot.com/2009/07/configuring-asterisktrixbox-for-kuwait.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Bashar
>>>>>>> Al-Abdulhadi<bashar at kuwaitnet.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> yes when it comes of renting your own E1, and purchasing a call
>>>>>>>> manager and
>>>>>>>> all its related devices then you need a local guy to manage it
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> with FT's you only pay per extension and everything is hosted at
>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>> premises and every office/location you add just get a single data
>>>>>>>> link and
>>>>>>>> put as many extensions as you want on that location
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> General mailing list
>>>>>> General at oskw.org
>>>>>> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> General mailing list
>>>>> General at oskw.org
>>>>> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> General mailing list
>>>> General at oskw.org
>>>> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> General mailing list
>> General at oskw.org
>> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>>



From majedb at gmail.com  Thu Jul 30 14:21:01 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 14:21:01 +0300
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <3722313383ad657fef60a6f7eb775d0c@localhost>
References: <70ed7c3e0907122323x73b143f3q97f2b2d77d2af551@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A69D1E8.2040504@kuwaitnet.net>
	<70ed7c3e0907240857x4b259fe2h6245652d56b0e274@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A69DCAB.3030207@kuwaitnet.net> <4A6FBE9F.1090801@koutbo6.com>
	<4A7174D1.5050503@koutbo6.com>
	<70ed7c3e0907300327gd50beeby915c1f45d2910046@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A71779A.3050009@koutbo6.com>
	<70ed7c3e0907300402t402adbc8r1016c2c07ae0900f@mail.gmail.com>
	<3722313383ad657fef60a6f7eb775d0c@localhost>
Message-ID: <70ed7c3e0907300421h2f868bffq30a757b9469e9a8@mail.gmail.com>

@@ Interesting!

How did you receive an sms? Did you configure an SMS gateway? What's
the option's name? I might have it already but unconfigured. (I do
recall not configuring the pager option: It sends email notifications,
so maybe you have your email configured on your mobile?)

On 7/30/09, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim <ahmad at koutbo6.com> wrote:
>
> Mobile messaging inbox, with the sms messages!
>
> On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 14:02:38 +0300, "Majed B." <majedb at gmail.com> wrote:
>> The messages inbox? Do you mean the one in the user mode? The web portal?
>>
>> On 7/30/09, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim <ahmad at koutbo6.com> wrote:
>>> I'm using Trixbox 2.8, haven't tried 2.6 to be able to compare the two
>>> versions. One cool feature, is when I get calls and the mobile is not
>>> connected to the PBX, a voice mail is recorded and once I connect to the
>>> PBX.. guess what? I get an SMS in my messages inbox from the PBX telling
>>> me you have 4 unread voice mails dial *97 to listen to your voice mails!
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
>>>
>>> Majed B. wrote:
>>>> That's in trixbox 2.8 or 2.6? Do you think you can compare the
>>>> features in these two versions, or at least see if your phone could
>>>> work with 2.6?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> On 7/30/09, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim <ahmad at koutbo6.com> wrote:
>>>>> Update to the below post. Nokia E71 worked fine without problems after
>>>>> updating to the latest firmware that was released weeks ago. Now I can
>>>>> send/receive calls natively from mobile without using 3rd party apps
>>>>> and
>>>>>  going through proxies.
>>>>>
>>>>> Other application to consider is Nimbizz, has SIP, IM networks, Skype
>>>>> support, considered as a competitor to fring, and it looks better,
>>>>> responsive and usability is way better than fring. the bad thing is
>>>>> they
>>>>> proxy the communications just like fring.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
>>>>>
>>>>> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim wrote:
>>>>>> I've tested it with Nokia E71 and it sucks! I was able to make calls,
>>>>>> but I cannot receive calls.. and the phone performance sucked, slow,
>>>>>> hanged many times. I've tested it with fring and it works fine, I was
>>>>>> able to make calls from my laptop to mobile and vice-versa through
> the
>>>>>> internet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is cool, cant wait for OpenVox card to arrive :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bashar Al-Abdulhadi wrote:
>>>>>>> nice! how about testing it over the internet say using SIP based
>>>>>>> mobile?
>>>>>>> i.e nokia.E71? ;)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Majed B. wrote, On 07/24/2009 06:57 PM:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I finished writing the steps I took to configure trixbox & making
>>>>>>>> caller id work.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
> http://mbhtech.blogspot.com/2009/07/configuring-asterisktrixbox-for-kuwait.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Bashar
>>>>>>>> Al-Abdulhadi<bashar at kuwaitnet.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> yes when it comes of renting your own E1, and purchasing a call
>>>>>>>>> manager and
>>>>>>>>> all its related devices then you need a local guy to manage it
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> with FT's you only pay per extension and everything is hosted at
>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>> premises and every office/location you add just get a single data
>>>>>>>>> link and
>>>>>>>>> put as many extensions as you want on that location
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> General mailing list
>>>>>>> General at oskw.org
>>>>>>> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> General mailing list
>>>>>> General at oskw.org
>>>>>> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> General mailing list
>>>>> General at oskw.org
>>>>> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> General mailing list
>>> General at oskw.org
>>> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> General mailing list
> General at oskw.org
> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>


-- 
       Majed B.



From ahmad at koutbo6.com  Thu Jul 30 14:31:47 2009
From: ahmad at koutbo6.com (Ahmad Al-Ibrahim)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 14:31:47 +0300
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <70ed7c3e0907300421h2f868bffq30a757b9469e9a8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <70ed7c3e0907122323x73b143f3q97f2b2d77d2af551@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A69D1E8.2040504@kuwaitnet.net>
	<70ed7c3e0907240857x4b259fe2h6245652d56b0e274@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A69DCAB.3030207@kuwaitnet.net> <4A6FBE9F.1090801@koutbo6.com>
	<4A7174D1.5050503@koutbo6.com>
	<70ed7c3e0907300327gd50beeby915c1f45d2910046@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A71779A.3050009@koutbo6.com>
	<70ed7c3e0907300402t402adbc8r1016c2c07ae0900f@mail.gmail.com>
	<3722313383ad657fef60a6f7eb775d0c@localhost>
	<70ed7c3e0907300421h2f868bffq30a757b9469e9a8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0ea081fd5aff4c682f02a35d1deb1d2d@localhost>


I have no idea, it just happened out of the box, I haven't done anything
special, it wasn't through an SMS gateway, sender was
<somenumber>@<MyTrixboxIP>
I got the message after connecting my device to the PBX, try to get your
hands on a SIP enabled mobile phone to see it yourself.

Regards,

Ahmad Al-Ibrahim

On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 14:21:01 +0300, "Majed B." <majedb at gmail.com> wrote:
> @@ Interesting!
> 
> How did you receive an sms? Did you configure an SMS gateway? What's
> the option's name? I might have it already but unconfigured. (I do
> recall not configuring the pager option: It sends email notifications,
> so maybe you have your email configured on your mobile?)
> 
> On 7/30/09, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim <ahmad at koutbo6.com> wrote:
>>
>> Mobile messaging inbox, with the sms messages!
>>
>> On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 14:02:38 +0300, "Majed B." <majedb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> The messages inbox? Do you mean the one in the user mode? The web
>>> portal?
>>>
>>> On 7/30/09, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim <ahmad at koutbo6.com> wrote:
>>>> I'm using Trixbox 2.8, haven't tried 2.6 to be able to compare the two
>>>> versions. One cool feature, is when I get calls and the mobile is not
>>>> connected to the PBX, a voice mail is recorded and once I connect to
>>>> the
>>>> PBX.. guess what? I get an SMS in my messages inbox from the PBX
>>>> telling
>>>> me you have 4 unread voice mails dial *97 to listen to your voice
>>>> mails!
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
>>>>
>>>> Majed B. wrote:
>>>>> That's in trixbox 2.8 or 2.6? Do you think you can compare the
>>>>> features in these two versions, or at least see if your phone could
>>>>> work with 2.6?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/30/09, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim <ahmad at koutbo6.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Update to the below post. Nokia E71 worked fine without problems
>>>>>> after
>>>>>> updating to the latest firmware that was released weeks ago. Now I
>>>>>> can
>>>>>> send/receive calls natively from mobile without using 3rd party apps
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>  going through proxies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Other application to consider is Nimbizz, has SIP, IM networks,
Skype
>>>>>> support, considered as a competitor to fring, and it looks better,
>>>>>> responsive and usability is way better than fring. the bad thing is
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> proxy the communications just like fring.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim wrote:
>>>>>>> I've tested it with Nokia E71 and it sucks! I was able to make
>>>>>>> calls,
>>>>>>> but I cannot receive calls.. and the phone performance sucked,
slow,
>>>>>>> hanged many times. I've tested it with fring and it works fine, I
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> able to make calls from my laptop to mobile and vice-versa through
>> the
>>>>>>> internet.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is cool, cant wait for OpenVox card to arrive :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bashar Al-Abdulhadi wrote:
>>>>>>>> nice! how about testing it over the internet say using SIP based
>>>>>>>> mobile?
>>>>>>>> i.e nokia.E71? ;)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Majed B. wrote, On 07/24/2009 06:57 PM:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I finished writing the steps I took to configure trixbox & making
>>>>>>>>> caller id work.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>
http://mbhtech.blogspot.com/2009/07/configuring-asterisktrixbox-for-kuwait.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Bashar
>>>>>>>>> Al-Abdulhadi<bashar at kuwaitnet.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> yes when it comes of renting your own E1, and purchasing a call
>>>>>>>>>> manager and
>>>>>>>>>> all its related devices then you need a local guy to manage it
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> with FT's you only pay per extension and everything is hosted at
>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>> premises and every office/location you add just get a single
data
>>>>>>>>>> link and
>>>>>>>>>> put as many extensions as you want on that location
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> General mailing list
>>>>>>>> General at oskw.org
>>>>>>>> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> General mailing list
>>>>>>> General at oskw.org
>>>>>>> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> General mailing list
>>>>>> General at oskw.org
>>>>>> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> General mailing list
>>>> General at oskw.org
>>>> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> General mailing list
>> General at oskw.org
>> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>>



From bashar at kuwaitnet.net  Thu Jul 30 17:28:24 2009
From: bashar at kuwaitnet.net (Bashar Al-Abdulhadi)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 17:28:24 +0300
Subject: [General] Finally lights are on,
	Yahoo Drops search to Microsoft's Bing
Message-ID: <4A71AE08.3040601@kuwaitnet.net>

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_microsoft_yahoo

http://choicevalueinnovation.com/thedeal/pressroom/Default.aspx


and Yahoo will control the internet Ads


Fair, not fair?


and Google ?? ??? ?? ????? ??? :D



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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 17:33:19 +0300
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From majedb at gmail.com  Thu Jul 30 19:16:08 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 19:16:08 +0300
Subject: [General] [Fwd: FW: [Fwd: URGENT - patch BIND 9 vulnerability]]
In-Reply-To: <4A71AF2F.8070301@kuwaitnet.net>
References: <4A71AF2F.8070301@kuwaitnet.net>
Message-ID: <70ed7c3e0907300916i518ead6qdb9aecbdf7326b27@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you Bashar!

I run dnsmasq :p

On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 5:33 PM, Bashar
Al-Abdulhadi<bashar at kuwaitnet.net> wrote:
> for people who runs BIND this has been confirmed, need to update ASAP
-- 
       Majed B.



From kuwait at q8net.com  Fri Jul 31 02:18:37 2009
From: kuwait at q8net.com (Faisal AlAbhoul)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 16:18:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <4A71779A.3050009@koutbo6.com>
Message-ID: <491128.90635.qm@web76116.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>

Like i said before, Asterisk 1.6.x (Trixbox 2.8) has a lot of features, the SMS message i never had it before, could it come from a free sms gateway from Fonality once you registered your Trixbox?

How good is the voice quality on the E71? can you tell which codec you used? hopefully its G729 and not G711.


--- On Thu, 7/30/09, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim <ahmad at koutbo6.com> wrote:

From: Ahmad Al-Ibrahim <ahmad at koutbo6.com>
Subject: Re: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
To: "General OpenSource Discussion" <general at oskw.org>
Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 1:36 PM

I'm using Trixbox 2.8, haven't tried 2.6 to be able to compare the two
versions. One cool feature, is when I get calls and the mobile is not
connected to the PBX, a voice mail is recorded and once I connect to the
PBX.. guess what? I get an SMS in my messages inbox from the PBX telling
me you have 4 unread voice mails dial *97 to listen to your voice mails!

Regards,

Ahmad Al-Ibrahim

Majed B. wrote:
> That's in trixbox 2.8 or 2.6? Do you think you can compare the
> features in these two versions, or at least see if your phone could
> work with 2.6?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> On 7/30/09, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim <ahmad at koutbo6.com> wrote:
>> Update to the below post. Nokia E71 worked fine without problems after
>> updating to the latest firmware that was released weeks ago. Now I can
>> send/receive calls natively from mobile without using 3rd party apps and
>>? going through proxies.
>>
>> Other application to consider is Nimbizz, has SIP, IM networks, Skype
>> support, considered as a competitor to fring, and it looks better,
>> responsive and usability is way better than fring. the bad thing is they
>> proxy the communications just like fring.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
>>
>> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim wrote:
>>> I've tested it with Nokia E71 and it sucks! I was able to make calls,
>>> but I cannot receive calls.. and the phone performance sucked, slow,
>>> hanged many times. I've tested it with fring and it works fine, I was
>>> able to make calls from my laptop to mobile and vice-versa through the
>>> internet.
>>>
>>> This is cool, cant wait for OpenVox card to arrive :)
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
>>>
>>> Bashar Al-Abdulhadi wrote:
>>>> nice! how about testing it over the internet say using SIP based mobile?
>>>> i.e nokia.E71? ;)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Majed B. wrote, On 07/24/2009 06:57 PM:
>>>>
>>>>> I finished writing the steps I took to configure trixbox & making
>>>>> caller id work.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://mbhtech.blogspot.com/2009/07/configuring-asterisktrixbox-for-kuwait.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Bashar
>>>>> Al-Abdulhadi<bashar at kuwaitnet.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> yes when it comes of renting your own E1, and purchasing a call
>>>>>> manager and
>>>>>> all its related devices then you need a local guy to manage it
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> with FT's you only pay per extension and everything is hosted at their
>>>>>> premises and every office/location you add just get a single data
>>>>>> link and
>>>>>> put as many extensions as you want on that location
>>>>>>
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From ahmad at koutbo6.com  Fri Jul 31 03:05:15 2009
From: ahmad at koutbo6.com (Ahmad Al-Ibrahim)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 03:05:15 +0300
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <491128.90635.qm@web76116.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>
References: <491128.90635.qm@web76116.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4A72353B.6030706@koutbo6.com>

It is originated from the PBX it self, it is like service message that
you get from telecom carriers. kind of 'miss u' like feature :)
screenshot attached

Voice quality was very good, it was over LAN, not sure how to figure out
which codec is loaded, but I found the following files in
/usr/lib/asterisk/modules , it may tell you something
codec_adpcm.so  codec_alaw.so  codec_a_mu.so  codec_dahdi.so
codec_g722.so  codec_g726.so  codec_gsm.so  codec_lpc10.so
codec_resample.so  codec_speex.so  codec_ulaw.so

I'm still having problems when I try to connect to the PBX via the
internet, sometimes I can make calls and some times I cannot, and if I
am able to call, when I pickup from the other side, I cant hear
anything. The PBX is behind NAT and on DMZ.

Regards,

Ahmad Al-Ibrahim

Faisal AlAbhoul wrote:
> Like i said before, Asterisk 1.6.x (Trixbox 2..8) has a lot of features,
> the SMS message i never had it before, could it come from a free sms
> gateway from Fonality once you registered your Trixbox?
> 
> How good is the voice quality on the E71? can you tell which codec you
> used? hopefully its G729 and not G711.
> 
> 
> --- On *Thu, 7/30/09, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim /<ahmad at koutbo6.com>/* wrote:
> 
> 
>     From: Ahmad Al-Ibrahim <ahmad at koutbo6.com>
>     Subject: Re: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
>     To: "General OpenSource Discussion" <general at oskw.org>
>     Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 1:36 PM
> 
>     I'm using Trixbox 2.8, haven't tried 2.6 to be able to compare the two
>     versions. One cool feature, is when I get calls and the mobile is not
>     connected to the PBX, a voice mail is recorded and once I connect to the
>     PBX.. guess what? I get an SMS in my messages inbox from the PBX telling
>     me you have 4 unread voice mails dial *97 to listen to your voice mails!
> 
>     Regards,
> 
>     Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
> 
>     Majed B. wrote:
>     > That's in trixbox 2.8 or 2.6? Do you think you can compare the
>     > features in these two versions, or at least see if your phone could
>     > work with 2.6?
>     >
>     > Thanks!
>     >
>     > On 7/30/09, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim <ahmad at koutbo6.com
>     </mc/compose?to=ahmad at koutbo6.com>> wrote:
>     >> Update to the below post. Nokia E71 worked fine without problems
>     after
>     >> updating to the latest firmware that was released weeks ago. Now
>     I can
>     >> send/receive calls natively from mobile without using 3rd party
>     apps and
>     >>  going through proxies.
>     >>
>     >> Other application to consider is Nimbizz, has SIP, IM networks, Skype
>     >> support, considered as a competitor to fring, and it looks better,
>     >> responsive and usability is way better than fring. the bad thing
>     is they
>     >> proxy the communications just like fring.
>     >>
>     >> Regards,
>     >>
>     >> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
>     >>
>     >> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim wrote:
>     >>> I've tested it with Nokia E71 and it sucks! I was able to make
>     calls,
>     >>> but I cannot receive calls.. and the phone performance sucked, slow,
>     >>> hanged many times. I've tested it with fring and it works fine,
>     I was
>     >>> able to make calls from my laptop to mobile and vice-versa
>     through the
>     >>> internet.
>     >>>
>     >>> This is cool, cant wait for OpenVox card to arrive :)
>     >>>
>     >>> Regards,
>     >>>
>     >>> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
>     >>>
>     >>> Bashar Al-Abdulhadi wrote:
>     >>>> nice! how about testing it over the internet say using SIP
>     based mobile?
>     >>>> i.e nokia.E71? ;)
>     >>>>
>     >>>>
>     >>>>
>     >>>> Majed B. wrote, On 07/24/2009 06:57 PM:
>     >>>>
>     >>>>> I finished writing the steps I took to configure trixbox & making
>     >>>>> caller id work.
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>>
>     http://mbhtech.blogspot.com/2009/07/configuring-asterisktrixbox-for-kuwait.html
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>> On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Bashar
>     >>>>> Al-Abdulhadi<bashar at kuwaitnet.net
>     </mc/compose?to=bashar at kuwaitnet.net>> wrote:
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>>> yes when it comes of renting your own E1, and purchasing a call
>     >>>>>> manager and
>     >>>>>> all its related devices then you need a local guy to manage it
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>> with FT's you only pay per extension and everything is hosted
>     at their
>     >>>>>> premises and every office/location you add just get a single data
>     >>>>>> link and
>     >>>>>> put as many extensions as you want on that location
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     >>>>
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>     >>>> General mailing list
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>     >>> General at oskw.org </mc/compose?to=General at oskw.org>
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From kuwait at q8net.com  Fri Jul 31 03:31:24 2009
From: kuwait at q8net.com (Faisal AlAbhoul)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 17:31:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <4A72353B.6030706@koutbo6.com>
Message-ID: <20284.38283.qm@web76113.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>

Thats the drawbacks of SIP 2.0 over NAT. Try to use IAX2 protocol, its
very NAT-Friendly but hardly any software clients for mobile phones
support IAX or IAX2.



I see you didnt install G729, you can download the opensource G729 and
simply place it in modules directory. The G711 is actually the alaw and
ulaw codec, perfect for LAN telephony and FAX over VoIP.

--- On Fri, 7/31/09, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim <ahmad at koutbo6.com> wrote:

From: Ahmad Al-Ibrahim <ahmad at koutbo6.com>
Subject: Re: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
To: "General OpenSource Discussion" <general at oskw.org>
Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 3:05 AM

It is originated from the PBX it self, it is like service message that
you get from telecom carriers. kind of 'miss u' like feature :)
screenshot attached

Voice quality was very good, it was over LAN, not sure how to figure out
which codec is loaded, but I found the following files in
/usr/lib/asterisk/modules , it may tell you something
codec_adpcm.so? codec_alaw.so? codec_a_mu.so? codec_dahdi.so
codec_g722.so? codec_g726.so? codec_gsm.so? codec_lpc10.so
codec_resample.so? codec_speex.so? codec_ulaw.so

I'm still having problems when I try to connect to the PBX via the
internet, sometimes I can make calls and some times I cannot, and if I
am able to call, when I pickup from the other side, I cant hear
anything. The PBX is behind NAT and on DMZ.

Regards,

Ahmad Al-Ibrahim

Faisal AlAbhoul wrote:
> Like i said before, Asterisk 1.6.x (Trixbox 2..8) has a lot of features,
> the SMS message i never had it before, could it come from a free sms
> gateway from Fonality once you registered your Trixbox?
> 
> How good is the voice quality on the E71? can you tell which codec you
> used? hopefully its G729 and not G711.
> 
> 
> --- On *Thu, 7/30/09, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim /<ahmad at koutbo6.com>/* wrote:
> 
> 
>? ???From: Ahmad Al-Ibrahim <ahmad at koutbo6.com>
>? ???Subject: Re: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
>? ???To: "General OpenSource Discussion" <general at oskw.org>
>? ???Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 1:36 PM
> 
>? ???I'm using Trixbox 2.8, haven't tried 2.6 to be able to compare the two
>? ???versions. One cool feature, is when I get calls and the mobile is not
>? ???connected to the PBX, a voice mail is recorded and once I connect to the
>? ???PBX.. guess what? I get an SMS in my messages inbox from the PBX telling
>? ???me you have 4 unread voice mails dial *97 to listen to your voice mails!
> 
>? ???Regards,
> 
>? ???Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
> 
>? ???Majed B. wrote:
>? ???> That's in trixbox 2.8 or 2.6? Do you think you can compare the
>? ???> features in these two versions, or at least see if your phone could
>? ???> work with 2.6?
>? ???>
>? ???> Thanks!
>? ???>
>? ???> On 7/30/09, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim <ahmad at koutbo6.com
>? ???</mc/compose?to=ahmad at koutbo6.com>> wrote:
>? ???>> Update to the below post. Nokia E71 worked fine without problems
>? ???after
>? ???>> updating to the latest firmware that was released weeks ago. Now
>? ???I can
>? ???>> send/receive calls natively from mobile without using 3rd party
>? ???apps and
>? ???>>? going through proxies.
>? ???>>
>? ???>> Other application to consider is Nimbizz, has SIP, IM networks, Skype
>? ???>> support, considered as a competitor to fring, and it looks better,
>? ???>> responsive and usability is way better than fring. the bad thing
>? ???is they
>? ???>> proxy the communications just like fring.
>? ???>>
>? ???>> Regards,
>? ???>>
>? ???>> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
>? ???>>
>? ???>> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim wrote:
>? ???>>> I've tested it with Nokia E71 and it sucks! I was able to make
>? ???calls,
>? ???>>> but I cannot receive calls.. and the phone performance sucked, slow,
>? ???>>> hanged many times. I've tested it with fring and it works fine,
>? ???I was
>? ???>>> able to make calls from my laptop to mobile and vice-versa
>? ???through the
>? ???>>> internet.
>? ???>>>
>? ???>>> This is cool, cant wait for OpenVox card to arrive :)
>? ???>>>
>? ???>>> Regards,
>? ???>>>
>? ???>>> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
>? ???>>>
>? ???>>> Bashar Al-Abdulhadi wrote:
>? ???>>>> nice! how about testing it over the internet say using SIP
>? ???based mobile?
>? ???>>>> i.e nokia.E71? ;)
>? ???>>>>
>? ???>>>>
>? ???>>>>
>? ???>>>> Majed B. wrote, On 07/24/2009 06:57 PM:
>? ???>>>>
>? ???>>>>> I finished writing the steps I took to configure trixbox & making
>? ???>>>>> caller id work.
>? ???>>>>>
>? ???>>>>>
>? ???http://mbhtech.blogspot.com/2009/07/configuring-asterisktrixbox-for-kuwait.html
>? ???>>>>>
>? ???>>>>>
>? ???>>>>> On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Bashar
>? ???>>>>> Al-Abdulhadi<bashar at kuwaitnet.net
>? ???</mc/compose?to=bashar at kuwaitnet.net>> wrote:
>? ???>>>>>
>? ???>>>>>> yes when it comes of renting your own E1, and purchasing a call
>? ???>>>>>> manager and
>? ???>>>>>> all its related devices then you need a local guy to manage it
>? ???>>>>>>
>? ???>>>>>>
>? ???>>>>>> with FT's you only pay per extension and everything is hosted
>? ???at their
>? ???>>>>>> premises and every office/location you add just get a single data
>? ???>>>>>> link and
>? ???>>>>>> put as many extensions as you want on that location
>? ???>>>>>>
>? ???>>>>
>? ???------------------------------------------------------------------------
>? ???>>>>
>? ???>>>> _______________________________________________
>? ???>>>> General mailing list
>? ???>>>> General at oskw.org </mc/compose?to=General at oskw.org>
>? ???>>>> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>? ???>>> _______________________________________________
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>? ???>
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From majedb at gmail.com  Fri Jul 31 03:44:12 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 03:44:12 +0300
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <20284.38283.qm@web76113.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>
References: <4A72353B.6030706@koutbo6.com>
	<20284.38283.qm@web76113.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <70ed7c3e0907301744i617902cdha47636afd940f0b4@mail.gmail.com>

Ahmad: Did set port-forwarding rules from your gateway to Asterisk?
According to what I read, these ports should be redirected to the
Asterisk box:

5060 (tcp/udp)
10000-20000 (udp)

On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 3:31 AM, Faisal AlAbhoul<kuwait at q8net.com> wrote:
> Thats the drawbacks of SIP 2.0 over NAT. Try to use IAX2 protocol, its very
> NAT-Friendly but hardly any software clients for mobile phones support IAX
> or IAX2.
>
> I see you didnt install G729, you can download the opensource G729 and
> simply place it in modules directory. The G711 is actually the alaw and ulaw
> codec, perfect for LAN telephony and FAX over VoIP.
-- 
       Majed B.



From ahmad at koutbo6.com  Fri Jul 31 03:55:16 2009
From: ahmad at koutbo6.com (Ahmad Al-Ibrahim)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 03:55:16 +0300
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <20284.38283.qm@web76113.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>
References: <20284.38283.qm@web76113.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4A7240F4.7080403@koutbo6.com>

As far as I know from reading about it, IAX protocol is for
Asterisk-Asterisk communication, and I haven't heard of any device that
supports it.

I will install G729 codec soon, thanks for sharing!

Regards,

Ahmad Al-Ibrahim

Faisal AlAbhoul wrote:
> Thats the drawbacks of SIP 2.0 over NAT. Try to use IAX2 protocol, its
> very NAT-Friendly but hardly any software clients for mobile phones
> support IAX or IAX2.
> 
> I see you didnt install G729, you can download the opensource G729 and
> simply place it in modules directory. The G711 is actually the alaw and
> ulaw codec, perfect for LAN telephony and FAX over VoIP.
> 
> --- On *Fri, 7/31/09, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim /<ahmad at koutbo6.com>/* wrote:
> 
> 
>     From: Ahmad Al-Ibrahim <ahmad at koutbo6.com>
>     Subject: Re: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
>     To: "General OpenSource Discussion" <general at oskw.org>
>     Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 3:05 AM
> 
>     It is originated from the PBX it self, it is like service message that
>     you get from telecom carriers. kind of 'miss u' like feature :)
>     screenshot attached
> 
>     Voice quality was very good, it was over LAN, not sure how to figure out
>     which codec is loaded, but I found the following files in
>     /usr/lib/asterisk/modules , it may tell you something
>     codec_adpcm.so  codec_alaw.so  codec_a_mu.so  codec_dahdi.so
>     codec_g722.so  codec_g726.so  codec_gsm.so  codec_lpc10.so
>     codec_resample.so  codec_speex.so  codec_ulaw.so
> 
>     I'm still having problems when I try to connect to the PBX via the
>     internet, sometimes I can make calls and some times I cannot, and if I
>     am able to call, when I pickup from the other side, I cant hear
>     anything. The PBX is behind NAT and on DMZ.
> 
>     Regards,
> 
>     Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
> 
>     Faisal AlAbhoul wrote:
>     > Like i said before, Asterisk 1.6.x (Trixbox 2..8) has a lot of
>     features,
>     > the SMS message i never had it before, could it come from a free sms
>     > gateway from Fonality once you registered your Trixbox?
>     >
>     > How good is the voice quality on the E71? can you tell which codec you
>     > used? hopefully its G729 and not G711.
>     >
>     >
>     > --- On *Thu, 7/30/09, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim /<ahmad at koutbo6.com
>     </mc/compose?to=ahmad at koutbo6.com>>/* wrote:
>     >
>     >
>     >     From: Ahmad Al-Ibrahim <ahmad at koutbo6.com
>     </mc/compose?to=ahmad at koutbo6.com>>
>     >     Subject: Re: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
>     >     To: "General OpenSource Discussion" <general at oskw.org
>     </mc/compose?to=general at oskw.org>>
>     >     Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 1:36 PM
>     >
>     >     I'm using Trixbox 2.8, haven't tried 2.6 to be able to compare
>     the two
>     >     versions. One cool feature, is when I get calls and the mobile
>     is not
>     >     connected to the PBX, a voice mail is recorded and once I
>     connect to the
>     >     PBX.. guess what? I get an SMS in my messages inbox from the
>     PBX telling
>     >     me you have 4 unread voice mails dial *97 to listen to your
>     voice mails!
>     >
>     >     Regards,
>     >
>     >     Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
>     >
>     >     Majed B. wrote:
>     >     > That's in trixbox 2.8 or 2.6? Do you think you can compare the
>     >     > features in these two versions, or at least see if your
>     phone could
>     >     > work with 2.6?
>     >     >
>     >     > Thanks!
>     >     >
>     >     > On 7/30/09, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim <ahmad at koutbo6.com
>     </mc/compose?to=ahmad at koutbo6.com>
>     >     </mc/compose?to=ahmad at koutbo6.com
>     </mc/compose?to=ahmad at koutbo6.com>>> wrote:
>     >     >> Update to the below post. Nokia E71 worked fine without
>     problems
>     >     after
>     >     >> updating to the latest firmware that was released weeks
>     ago. Now
>     >     I can
>     >     >> send/receive calls natively from mobile without using 3rd party
>     >     apps and
>     >     >>  going through proxies.
>     >     >>
>     >     >> Other application to consider is Nimbizz, has SIP, IM
>     networks, Skype
>     >     >> support, considered as a competitor to fring, and it looks
>     better,
>     >     >> responsive and usability is way better than fring. the bad
>     thing
>     >     is they
>     >     >> proxy the communications just like fring.
>     >     >>
>     >     >> Regards,
>     >     >>
>     >     >> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
>     >     >>
>     >     >> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim wrote:
>     >     >>> I've tested it with Nokia E71 and it sucks! I was able to make
>     >     calls,
>     >     >>> but I cannot receive calls.. and the phone performance
>     sucked, slow,
>     >     >>> hanged many times. I've tested it with fring and it works
>     fine,
>     >     I was
>     >     >>> able to make calls from my laptop to mobile and vice-versa
>     >     through the
>     >     >>> internet.
>     >     >>>
>     >     >>> This is cool, cant wait for OpenVox card to arrive :)
>     >     >>>
>     >     >>> Regards,
>     >     >>>
>     >     >>> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
>     >     >>>
>     >     >>> Bashar Al-Abdulhadi wrote:
>     >     >>>> nice! how about testing it over the internet say using SIP
>     >     based mobile?
>     >     >>>> i.e nokia.E71? ;)
>     >     >>>>
>     >     >>>>
>     >     >>>>
>     >     >>>> Majed B. wrote, On 07/24/2009 06:57 PM:
>     >     >>>>
>     >     >>>>> I finished writing the steps I took to configure trixbox
>     & making
>     >     >>>>> caller id work.
>     >     >>>>>
>     >     >>>>>
>     > 
>        http://mbhtech.blogspot.com/2009/07/configuring-asterisktrixbox-for-kuwait.html
>     >     >>>>>
>     >     >>>>>
>     >     >>>>> On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Bashar
>     >     >>>>> Al-Abdulhadi<bashar at kuwaitnet.net
>     </mc/compose?to=bashar at kuwaitnet.net>
>     >     </mc/compose?to=bashar at kuwaitnet.net
>     </mc/compose?to=bashar at kuwaitnet.net>>> wrote:
>     >     >>>>>
>     >     >>>>>> yes when it comes of renting your own E1, and
>     purchasing a call
>     >     >>>>>> manager and
>     >     >>>>>> all its related devices then you need a local guy to
>     manage it
>     >     >>>>>>
>     >     >>>>>>
>     >     >>>>>> with FT's you only pay per extension and everything is
>     hosted
>     >     at their
>     >     >>>>>> premises and every office/location you add just get a
>     single data
>     >     >>>>>> link and
>     >     >>>>>> put as many extensions as you want on that location
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From ahmad at koutbo6.com  Fri Jul 31 03:58:03 2009
From: ahmad at koutbo6.com (Ahmad Al-Ibrahim)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 03:58:03 +0300
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <70ed7c3e0907301744i617902cdha47636afd940f0b4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A72353B.6030706@koutbo6.com>	<20284.38283.qm@web76113.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>
	<70ed7c3e0907301744i617902cdha47636afd940f0b4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A72419B.5080404@koutbo6.com>

Majed,

Yes, that was the first thing I've tried without success, after that I
configured the PBX to be on DMZ. I will let you know once it is solved.

Regards,

Ahmad Al-Ibrahim

Majed B. wrote:
> Ahmad: Did set port-forwarding rules from your gateway to Asterisk?
> According to what I read, these ports should be redirected to the
> Asterisk box:
> 
> 5060 (tcp/udp)
> 10000-20000 (udp)
> 
> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 3:31 AM, Faisal AlAbhoul<kuwait at q8net.com> wrote:
>> Thats the drawbacks of SIP 2.0 over NAT. Try to use IAX2 protocol, its very
>> NAT-Friendly but hardly any software clients for mobile phones support IAX
>> or IAX2.
>>
>> I see you didnt install G729, you can download the opensource G729 and
>> simply place it in modules directory. The G711 is actually the alaw and ulaw
>> codec, perfect for LAN telephony and FAX over VoIP.



From majedb at gmail.com  Fri Jul 31 05:07:27 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 05:07:27 +0300
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <4A72419B.5080404@koutbo6.com>
References: <4A72353B.6030706@koutbo6.com>
	<20284.38283.qm@web76113.mail.sg1.yahoo.com> 
	<70ed7c3e0907301744i617902cdha47636afd940f0b4@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4A72419B.5080404@koutbo6.com>
Message-ID: <70ed7c3e0907301907s2ca01ea3u6f985723946edfe3@mail.gmail.com>

Ahmad, the issue has already been addressed before and is documented
with solutions. The first 3 hits should have the proper solution for
you/us:

http://www.google.com/search?q=asterisk+nat

Let me know which one works out!

I just installed IPcop on my HP T5700 ThinClient (which has support
for my SpeedTouch USB DSL Modem)!!! So I should be able to get
Asterisk running online in 2 days or so. Inshallah....

On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 3:58 AM, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim<ahmad at koutbo6.com> wrote:
> Majed,
>
> Yes, that was the first thing I've tried without success, after that I
> configured the PBX to be on DMZ. I will let you know once it is solved.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
>
> Majed B. wrote:
>> Ahmad: Did set port-forwarding rules from your gateway to Asterisk?
>> According to what I read, these ports should be redirected to the
>> Asterisk box:
>>
>> 5060 (tcp/udp)
>> 10000-20000 (udp)
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 3:31 AM, Faisal AlAbhoul<kuwait at q8net.com> wrote:
>>> Thats the drawbacks of SIP 2.0 over NAT. Try to use IAX2 protocol, its very
>>> NAT-Friendly but hardly any software clients for mobile phones support IAX
>>> or IAX2.
>>>
>>> I see you didnt install G729, you can download the opensource G729 and
>>> simply place it in modules directory. The G711 is actually the alaw and ulaw
>>> codec, perfect for LAN telephony and FAX over VoIP.
>
> _______________________________________________
> General mailing list
> General at oskw.org
> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>



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From kuwait at q8net.com  Fri Jul 31 05:36:31 2009
From: kuwait at q8net.com (Faisal AlAbhoul)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 19:36:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <4A72419B.5080404@koutbo6.com>
Message-ID: <318063.59657.qm@web76105.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>

Try adding the following two lines in your sip_nat.conf? in /etc/asterisk/

externip= <your router ip address>
localnet=x.x.x.0/255.255.255.0

This can solve many problems especially if you are trying to receive inbound calls through the internet.


--- On Fri, 7/31/09, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim <ahmad at koutbo6.com> wrote:

From: Ahmad Al-Ibrahim <ahmad at koutbo6.com>
Subject: Re: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
To: "General OpenSource Discussion" <general at oskw.org>
Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 3:58 AM

Majed,

Yes, that was the first thing I've tried without success, after that I
configured the PBX to be on DMZ. I will let you know once it is solved.

Regards,

Ahmad Al-Ibrahim

Majed B. wrote:
> Ahmad: Did set port-forwarding rules from your gateway to Asterisk?
> According to what I read, these ports should be redirected to the
> Asterisk box:
> 
> 5060 (tcp/udp)
> 10000-20000 (udp)
> 
> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 3:31 AM, Faisal AlAbhoul<kuwait at q8net.com> wrote:
>> Thats the drawbacks of SIP 2.0 over NAT. Try to use IAX2 protocol, its very
>> NAT-Friendly but hardly any software clients for mobile phones support IAX
>> or IAX2.
>>
>> I see you didnt install G729, you can download the opensource G729 and
>> simply place it in modules directory. The G711 is actually the alaw and ulaw
>> codec, perfect for LAN telephony and FAX over VoIP.

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From majedb at gmail.com  Fri Jul 31 05:43:56 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 05:43:56 +0300
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <318063.59657.qm@web76105.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>
References: <4A72419B.5080404@koutbo6.com>
	<318063.59657.qm@web76105.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <70ed7c3e0907301943i5c52e34ag87336400d3ea8698@mail.gmail.com>

Shouldn't the extern IP be the Internet connection's IP? (as detected
by whatsmyip.net)

On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 5:36 AM, Faisal AlAbhoul<kuwait at q8net.com> wrote:
> Try adding the following two lines in your sip_nat.conf? in /etc/asterisk/
>
> externip= <your router ip address>
> localnet=x.x.x.0/255.255.255.0
>
> This can solve many problems especially if you are trying to receive inbound
> calls through the internet.
>
>
> --- On Fri, 7/31/09, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim <ahmad at koutbo6.com> wrote:
>
> From: Ahmad Al-Ibrahim <ahmad at koutbo6.com>
> Subject: Re: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
> To: "General OpenSource Discussion" <general at oskw.org>
> Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 3:58 AM
>
> Majed,
>
> Yes, that was the first thing I've tried without success, after that I
> configured the PBX to be on DMZ. I will let you know once it is solved.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
>
> Majed B. wrote:
>> Ahmad: Did set port-forwarding rules from your gateway to Asterisk?
>> According to what I read, these ports should be redirected to the
>> Asterisk box:
>>
>> 5060 (tcp/udp)
>> 10000-20000 (udp)
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 3:31 AM, Faisal AlAbhoul<kuwait at q8net.com> wrote:
>>> Thats the drawbacks of SIP 2..0 over NAT. Try to use IAX2 protocol, its
>>> very
>>> NAT-Friendly but hardly any software clients for mobile phones support
>>> IAX
>>> or IAX2.
>>>
>>> I see you didnt install G729, you can download the opensource G729 and
>>> simply place it in modules directory. The G711 is actually the alaw and
>>> ulaw
>>> codec, perfect for LAN telephony and FAX over VoIP.
>
> _______________________________________________
> General mailing list
> General at oskw.org
> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>
> _______________________________________________
> General mailing list
> General at oskw.org
> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>
>



-- 
       Majed B.



From kuwait at q8net.com  Fri Jul 31 06:42:15 2009
From: kuwait at q8net.com (Faisal AlAbhoul)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 20:42:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <70ed7c3e0907301943i5c52e34ag87336400d3ea8698@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <478290.23444.qm@web76104.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>




No it should be the internal IP of your router/gateway. no real IP to be entered there since its dynamic to most home users.


--- On Fri, 7/31/09, Majed B. <majedb at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Majed B. <majedb at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
To: "General OpenSource Discussion" <general at oskw.org>
Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 5:43 AM

Shouldn't the extern IP be the Internet connection's IP? (as detected
by whatsmyip.net)

On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 5:36 AM, Faisal AlAbhoul<kuwait at q8net.com> wrote:
> Try adding the following two lines in your sip_nat.conf? in /etc/asterisk/
>
> externip= <your router ip address>
> localnet=x.x.x.0/255.255.255.0
>
> This can solve many problems especially if you are trying to receive inbound
> calls through the internet.
>
>
> --- On Fri, 7/31/09, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim <ahmad at koutbo6.com> wrote:
>
> From: Ahmad Al-Ibrahim <ahmad at koutbo6.com>
> Subject: Re: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
> To: "General OpenSource Discussion" <general at oskw.org>
> Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 3:58 AM
>
> Majed,
>
> Yes, that was the first thing I've tried without success, after that I
> configured the PBX to be on DMZ. I will let you know once it is solved.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
>
> Majed B. wrote:
>> Ahmad: Did set port-forwarding rules from your gateway to Asterisk?
>> According to what I read, these ports should be redirected to the
>> Asterisk box:
>>
>> 5060 (tcp/udp)
>> 10000-20000 (udp)
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 3:31 AM, Faisal AlAbhoul<kuwait at q8net.com> wrote:
>>> Thats the drawbacks of SIP 2..0 over NAT. Try to use IAX2 protocol, its
>>> very
>>> NAT-Friendly but hardly any software clients for mobile phones support
>>> IAX
>>> or IAX2.
>>>
>>> I see you didnt install G729, you can download the opensource G729 and
>>> simply place it in modules directory. The G711 is actually the alaw and
>>> ulaw
>>> codec, perfect for LAN telephony and FAX over VoIP.
>
> _______________________________________________
> General mailing list
> General at oskw.org
> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>
> _______________________________________________
> General mailing list
> General at oskw.org
> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>
>



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From majedb at gmail.com  Fri Jul 31 06:43:39 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 06:43:39 +0300
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <478290.23444.qm@web76104.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>
References: <70ed7c3e0907301943i5c52e34ag87336400d3ea8698@mail.gmail.com> 
	<478290.23444.qm@web76104.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <70ed7c3e0907302043q8c580eesb93a0f7a7a5ea714@mail.gmail.com>

Is it possible to define a hostname then?

On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 6:42 AM, Faisal AlAbhoul<kuwait at q8net.com> wrote:
>
>
> No it should be the internal IP of your router/gateway. no real IP to be
> entered there since its dynamic to most home users.
-- 
       Majed B.



From kuwait at q8net.com  Fri Jul 31 07:10:48 2009
From: kuwait at q8net.com (Faisal AlAbhoul)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 21:10:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <70ed7c3e0907302043q8c580eesb93a0f7a7a5ea714@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <924402.38706.qm@web76103.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>

I never tried a host name but it might work if it can be resolved within your LAN. 

--- On Fri, 7/31/09, Majed B. <majedb at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Majed B. <majedb at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
To: "General OpenSource Discussion" <general at oskw.org>
Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 6:43 AM

Is it possible to define a hostname then?

On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 6:42 AM, Faisal AlAbhoul<kuwait at q8net.com> wrote:
>
>
> No it should be the internal IP of your router/gateway. no real IP to be
> entered there since its dynamic to most home users.
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From majedb at gmail.com  Fri Jul 31 07:18:50 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 07:18:50 +0300
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <924402.38706.qm@web76103.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>
References: <70ed7c3e0907302043q8c580eesb93a0f7a7a5ea714@mail.gmail.com> 
	<924402.38706.qm@web76103.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <70ed7c3e0907302118p2e263e14xc716c259e43af554@mail.gmail.com>

The LAN isn't my concern, as you can define the hostname in the hosts
file (*nix & Windows).

If you can define a hostname, then you can get yourself free Dynamic
DNS from no-ip.com or dyndns. This way, people outside (Internet) can
resolve your domain name to your IP, always.

On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 7:10 AM, Faisal AlAbhoul<kuwait at q8net.com> wrote:
> I never tried a host name but it might work if it can be resolved within
> your LAN.
>
> --- On Fri, 7/31/09, Majed B. <majedb at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Majed B. <majedb at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
> To: "General OpenSource Discussion" <general at oskw.org>
> Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 6:43 AM
>
> Is it possible to define a hostname then?
>
> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 6:42 AM, Faisal AlAbhoul<kuwait at q8net.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> No it should be the internal IP of your router/gateway. no real IP to be
>> entered there since its dynamic to most home users.
> --
> ? ? ???Majed B.
>
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From ahmad at koutbo6.com  Fri Jul 31 13:12:41 2009
From: ahmad at koutbo6.com (Ahmad Al-Ibrahim)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 13:12:41 +0300
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <70ed7c3e0907301907s2ca01ea3u6f985723946edfe3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A72353B.6030706@koutbo6.com>	<20284.38283.qm@web76113.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>
	<70ed7c3e0907301744i617902cdha47636afd940f0b4@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A72419B.5080404@koutbo6.com>
	<70ed7c3e0907301907s2ca01ea3u6f985723946edfe3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A72C399.9070001@koutbo6.com>

Majed, I went through most of the articles, my case is th last and the
worst case, where asterisk is behind NAT, and the mobile is behind NAT
in other network.

tcpdump shows RTP packets sent from asterisk to the mobile without a
response from the mobile.

Regards,

Ahmad Al-Ibrahim

Majed B. wrote:
> Ahmad, the issue has already been addressed before and is documented
> with solutions. The first 3 hits should have the proper solution for
> you/us:
> 
> http://www.google.com/search?q=asterisk+nat
> 
> Let me know which one works out!
> 
> I just installed IPcop on my HP T5700 ThinClient (which has support
> for my SpeedTouch USB DSL Modem)!!! So I should be able to get
> Asterisk running online in 2 days or so. Inshallah....
> 
> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 3:58 AM, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim<ahmad at koutbo6.com> wrote:
>> Majed,
>>
>> Yes, that was the first thing I've tried without success, after that I
>> configured the PBX to be on DMZ. I will let you know once it is solved.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
>>
>> Majed B. wrote:
>>> Ahmad: Did set port-forwarding rules from your gateway to Asterisk?
>>> According to what I read, these ports should be redirected to the
>>> Asterisk box:
>>>
>>> 5060 (tcp/udp)
>>> 10000-20000 (udp)
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 3:31 AM, Faisal AlAbhoul<kuwait at q8net.com> wrote:
>>>> Thats the drawbacks of SIP 2.0 over NAT. Try to use IAX2 protocol, its very
>>>> NAT-Friendly but hardly any software clients for mobile phones support IAX
>>>> or IAX2.
>>>>
>>>> I see you didnt install G729, you can download the opensource G729 and
>>>> simply place it in modules directory. The G711 is actually the alaw and ulaw
>>>> codec, perfect for LAN telephony and FAX over VoIP.
>> _______________________________________________
>> General mailing list
>> General at oskw.org
>> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>>
> 
> 
> 



From ahmad at koutbo6.com  Fri Jul 31 13:26:07 2009
From: ahmad at koutbo6.com (Ahmad Al-Ibrahim)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 13:26:07 +0300
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <318063.59657.qm@web76105.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>
References: <318063.59657.qm@web76105.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4A72C6BF.8040801@koutbo6.com>

Bo Rashed,

I've tried that without luck, I'm trying to connect to asterisk from my
mobile using 3G/GPRS which is behind NAT, and asterisk is behind NAT too.

trixbox1*CLI> sip show peers
Name/username              Host            Dyn Nat ACL Port     Status
300                        (Unspecified)    D   N   A  5060     UNKNOWN
200/200                    192.168.1.8      D   N   A  5060     OK (74 ms)
100/100                    95.66.116.121    D   N   A  5060     OK (946 ms)

The device is registered with asterisk without problems, calling will
ring both ways, the problem is with the sound, RTP not being connected
properly.

Regards,

Ahmad Al-Ibrahim

Faisal AlAbhoul wrote:
> Try adding the following two lines in your sip_nat.conf  in /etc/asterisk/
> 
> externip= <your router ip address>
> localnet=x.x.x.0/255.255.255.0
> 
> This can solve many problems especially if you are trying to receive
> inbound calls through the internet.
> 
> 
> --- On *Fri, 7/31/09, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim /<ahmad at koutbo6.com>/* wrote:
> 
> 
>     From: Ahmad Al-Ibrahim <ahmad at koutbo6.com>
>     Subject: Re: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
>     To: "General OpenSource Discussion" <general at oskw.org>
>     Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 3:58 AM
> 
>     Majed,
> 
>     Yes, that was the first thing I've tried without success, after that I
>     configured the PBX to be on DMZ. I will let you know once it is solved.
> 
>     Regards,
> 
>     Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
> 
>     Majed B. wrote:
>     > Ahmad: Did set port-forwarding rules from your gateway to Asterisk?
>     > According to what I read, these ports should be redirected to the
>     > Asterisk box:
>     >
>     > 5060 (tcp/udp)
>     > 10000-20000 (udp)
>     >
>     > On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 3:31 AM, Faisal AlAbhoul<kuwait at q8net.com
>     </mc/compose?to=kuwait at q8net.com>> wrote:
>     >> Thats the drawbacks of SIP 2..0 over NAT. Try to use IAX2
>     protocol, its very
>     >> NAT-Friendly but hardly any software clients for mobile phones
>     support IAX
>     >> or IAX2.
>     >>
>     >> I see you didnt install G729, you can download the opensource
>     G729 and
>     >> simply place it in modules directory. The G711 is actually the
>     alaw and ulaw
>     >> codec, perfect for LAN telephony and FAX over VoIP.
> 
>     _______________________________________________
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From majedb at gmail.com  Fri Jul 31 13:53:25 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 13:53:25 +0300
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <4A72C6BF.8040801@koutbo6.com>
References: <318063.59657.qm@web76105.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>
	<4A72C6BF.8040801@koutbo6.com>
Message-ID: <70ed7c3e0907310353m63d514a1ycf14ff97f1f93fe@mail.gmail.com>

Ahmad,

Did you port-forward UDP: 5060,10000-20000 to your Asterisk box?

As for the sound, you need to change the codec.

On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim<ahmad at koutbo6.com> wrote:
> Bo Rashed,
>
> I've tried that without luck, I'm trying to connect to asterisk from my
> mobile using 3G/GPRS which is behind NAT, and asterisk is behind NAT too.
>
> trixbox1*CLI> sip show peers
> Name/username ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Host ? ? ? ? ? ?Dyn Nat ACL Port ? ? Status
> 300 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?(Unspecified) ? ?D ? N ? A ?5060 ? ? UNKNOWN
> 200/200 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?192.168.1.8 ? ? ?D ? N ? A ?5060 ? ? OK (74 ms)
> 100/100 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?95.66.116.121 ? ?D ? N ? A ?5060 ? ? OK (946 ms)
>
> The device is registered with asterisk without problems, calling will
> ring both ways, the problem is with the sound, RTP not being connected
> properly.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
>
> Faisal AlAbhoul wrote:
>> Try adding the following two lines in your sip_nat.conf ?in /etc/asterisk/
>>
>> externip= <your router ip address>
>> localnet=x.x.x.0/255.255.255.0
>>
>> This can solve many problems especially if you are trying to receive
>> inbound calls through the internet.
>>
>>
>> --- On *Fri, 7/31/09, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim /<ahmad at koutbo6.com>/* wrote:
>>
>>
>> ? ? From: Ahmad Al-Ibrahim <ahmad at koutbo6.com>
>> ? ? Subject: Re: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
>> ? ? To: "General OpenSource Discussion" <general at oskw.org>
>> ? ? Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 3:58 AM
>>
>> ? ? Majed,
>>
>> ? ? Yes, that was the first thing I've tried without success, after that I
>> ? ? configured the PBX to be on DMZ. I will let you know once it is solved.
>>
>> ? ? Regards,
>>
>> ? ? Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
>>
>> ? ? Majed B. wrote:
>> ? ? > Ahmad: Did set port-forwarding rules from your gateway to Asterisk?
>> ? ? > According to what I read, these ports should be redirected to the
>> ? ? > Asterisk box:
>> ? ? >
>> ? ? > 5060 (tcp/udp)
>> ? ? > 10000-20000 (udp)
>> ? ? >
>> ? ? > On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 3:31 AM, Faisal AlAbhoul<kuwait at q8net.com
>> ? ? </mc/compose?to=kuwait at q8net.com>> wrote:
>> ? ? >> Thats the drawbacks of SIP 2..0 over NAT. Try to use IAX2
>> ? ? protocol, its very
>> ? ? >> NAT-Friendly but hardly any software clients for mobile phones
>> ? ? support IAX
>> ? ? >> or IAX2.
>> ? ? >>
>> ? ? >> I see you didnt install G729, you can download the opensource
>> ? ? G729 and
>> ? ? >> simply place it in modules directory. The G711 is actually the
>> ? ? alaw and ulaw
>> ? ? >> codec, perfect for LAN telephony and FAX over VoIP.
>>
>> ? ? _______________________________________________
>> ? ? General mailing list
>> ? ? General at oskw.org </mc/compose?to=General at oskw.org>
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>>
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From bashar at kuwaitnet.net  Fri Jul 31 17:19:49 2009
From: bashar at kuwaitnet.net (Bashar Al-Abdulhadi)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 17:19:49 +0300
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <4A72C399.9070001@koutbo6.com>
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From talal at alawadhi.com  Fri Jul 31 17:27:37 2009
From: talal at alawadhi.com (Talal Al Awadhi)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 17:27:37 +0300
Subject: [General] Finally lights are on,
 Yahoo Drops search to Microsoft's Bing
In-Reply-To: <4A71AE08.3040601@kuwaitnet.net>
References: <4A71AE08.3040601@kuwaitnet.net>
Message-ID: <4A72FF59.20301@alawadhi.com>

Microsoft gave a lot for that.

Can you imagine? All Microsoft sites, starting from MSN Network, 
Hotmail, Bing, Messenger, and many others. On top of Yahoo network will 
all be exclusively available on Yahoo Ads system.

How valuable is the search engine industry for Microsoft for it to give 
Yahoo the Ads market in exchange of the Search?

Welcome to competition again Google, Bing in Search engine. And Yahoo 
Ads with Google Adwords/Adsense market.


Bashar Al-Abdulhadi wrote:
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_microsoft_yahoo
>
> http://choicevalueinnovation.com/thedeal/pressroom/Default.aspx
>
>
> and Yahoo will control the internet Ads
>
>
> Fair, not fair?
>
>
> and Google ?? ??? ?? ????? ??? :D
>
>
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From kuwait at q8net.com  Fri Jul 31 17:36:13 2009
From: kuwait at q8net.com (Faisal AlAbhoul)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 07:36:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <4A72FD85.1070907@kuwaitnet.net>
Message-ID: <6274.24063.qm@web76111.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>


Like Bashar said Zain wont give you a real IP, instead they bridge your device with the real ip at their end, i have found that while trying to fix my brother's router to host online games.

Ahmad, try to allocate a single port to RTP instead of a range, this might help as i have done it on my ClarkConnect router.

--- On Fri, 7/31/09, Bashar Al-Abdulhadi <bashar at kuwaitnet.net> wrote:

From: Bashar Al-Abdulhadi <bashar at kuwaitnet.net>
Subject: Re: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
To: "General OpenSource Discussion" <general at oskw.org>
Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 5:19 PM




  
  
Zain NAT's your mobile connection maybe thats causing the issue ?









Ahmad Al-Ibrahim wrote, On 07/31/2009 01:12 PM:

  Majed, I went through most of the articles, my case is th last and the
worst case, where asterisk is behind NAT, and the mobile is behind NAT
in other network.

tcpdump shows RTP packets sent from asterisk to the mobile without a
response from the mobile.

Regards,

Ahmad Al-Ibrahim

Majed B. wrote:
  
  
    Ahmad, the issue has already been addressed before and is documented
with solutions. The first 3 hits should have the proper solution for
you/us:

http://www.google.com/search?q=asterisk+nat

Let me know which one works out!

I just installed IPcop on my HP T5700 ThinClient (which has support
for my SpeedTouch USB DSL Modem)!!! So I should be able to get
Asterisk running online in 2 days or so. Inshallah....

On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 3:58 AM, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim<ahmad at koutbo6.com> wrote:
    
    
      Majed,

Yes, that was the first thing I've tried without success, after that I
configured the PBX to be on DMZ. I will let you know once it is solved.

Regards,

Ahmad Al-Ibrahim

Majed B. wrote:
      
      
        Ahmad: Did set port-forwarding rules from your gateway to Asterisk?
According to what I read, these ports should be redirected to the
Asterisk box:

5060 (tcp/udp)
10000-20000 (udp)

On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 3:31 AM, Faisal AlAbhoul<kuwait at q8net.com> wrote:
        
        
          Thats the drawbacks of SIP 2.0 over NAT. Try to use IAX2 protocol, its very
NAT-Friendly but hardly any software clients for mobile phones support IAX
or IAX2.

I see you didnt install G729, you can download the opensource G729 and
simply place it in modules directory. The G711 is actually the alaw and ulaw
codec, perfect for LAN telephony and FAX over VoIP.
          
        
      
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From majedb at gmail.com  Fri Jul 31 17:39:55 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 17:39:55 +0300
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <6274.24063.qm@web76111.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>
References: <4A72FD85.1070907@kuwaitnet.net>
	<6274.24063.qm@web76111.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <70ed7c3e0907310739w76e584bg364430fd3728f37b@mail.gmail.com>

As far as I know, Viva is the only company that gives a real IP.

I'm having a weird problem with my pbx: My sister is connected over
wifi, which hooks to a main switch. I'm connected to LAN. I can't
reach her, but she can call my extension, but no sound comes through.

I'm too lazy to do any tweaking now. I'll look into it later...

On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 5:36 PM, Faisal AlAbhoul<kuwait at q8net.com> wrote:
>
> Like Bashar said Zain wont give you a real IP, instead they bridge your
> device with the real ip at their end, i have found that while trying to fix
> my brother's router to host online games.
>
> Ahmad, try to allocate a single port to RTP instead of a range, this might
> help as i have done it on my ClarkConnect router.
>
> --- On Fri, 7/31/09, Bashar Al-Abdulhadi <bashar at kuwaitnet.net> wrote:
>
> From: Bashar Al-Abdulhadi <bashar at kuwaitnet.net>
> Subject: Re: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
> To: "General OpenSource Discussion" <general at oskw.org>
> Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 5:19 PM
>
> Zain NAT's your mobile connection maybe thats causing the issue ?
>
>
>
>
> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim wrote, On 07/31/2009 01:12 PM:
>
> Majed, I went through most of the articles, my case is th last and the
> worst case, where asterisk is behind NAT, and the mobile is behind NAT
> in other network.
>
> tcpdump shows RTP packets sent from asterisk to the mobile without a
> response from the mobile.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
>
> Majed B. wrote:
>
>
> Ahmad, the issue has already been addressed before and is documented
> with solutions. The first 3 hits should have the proper solution for
> you/us:
>
> http://www.google.com/search?q=asterisk+nat
>
> Let me know which one works out!
>
> I just installed IPcop on my HP T5700 ThinClient (which has support
> for my SpeedTouch USB DSL Modem)!!! So I should be able to get
> Asterisk running online in 2 days or so. Inshallah....
>
> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 3:58 AM, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim<ahmad at koutbo6.com> wrote:
>
>
> Majed,
>
> Yes, that was the first thing I've tried without success, after that I
> configured the PBX to be on DMZ. I will let you know once it is solved.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
>
> Majed B. wrote:
>
>
> Ahmad: Did set port-forwarding rules from your gateway to Asterisk?
> According to what I read, these ports should be redirected to the
> Asterisk box:
>
> 5060 (tcp/udp)
> 10000-20000 (udp)
>
> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 3:31 AM, Faisal AlAbhoul<kuwait at q8net.com> wrote:
>
>
> Thats the drawbacks of SIP 2.0 over NAT. Try to use IAX2 protocol, its very
> NAT-Friendly but hardly any software clients for mobile phones support IAX
> or IAX2.
>
> I see you didnt install G729, you can download the opensource G729 and
> simply place it in modules directory. The G711 is actually the alaw and ulaw
> codec, perfect for LAN telephony and FAX over VoIP.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> General mailing list
> General at oskw.org
> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>
>
>
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From kuwait at q8net.com  Fri Jul 31 17:46:14 2009
From: kuwait at q8net.com (Faisal AlAbhoul)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 07:46:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <4A72C6BF.8040801@koutbo6.com>
Message-ID: <499355.86342.qm@web76114.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>

I noticed you're having 74 ms within your LAN, if its the mobile device i think its normal but otherwise its unusual. The extension 100 having 900ms, that's an odd case indeed....was Asterisk just restarted or Trixbox? heavy downloading when you got the debugging page?

--- On Fri, 7/31/09, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim <ahmad at koutbo6.com> wrote:

From: Ahmad Al-Ibrahim <ahmad at koutbo6.com>
Subject: Re: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
To: "General OpenSource Discussion" <general at oskw.org>
Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 1:26 PM

Bo Rashed,

I've tried that without luck, I'm trying to connect to asterisk from my
mobile using 3G/GPRS which is behind NAT, and asterisk is behind NAT too.

trixbox1*CLI> sip show peers
Name/username? ? ? ? ? ? ? Host? ? ? ? ? ? Dyn Nat ACL Port? ???Status
300? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? (Unspecified)? ? D???N???A? 5060? ???UNKNOWN
200/200? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 192.168.1.8? ? ? D???N???A? 5060? ???OK (74 ms)
100/100? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 95.66.116.121? ? D???N???A? 5060? ???OK (946 ms)

The device is registered with asterisk without problems, calling will
ring both ways, the problem is with the sound, RTP not being connected
properly.

Regards,

Ahmad Al-Ibrahim

Faisal AlAbhoul wrote:
> Try adding the following two lines in your sip_nat.conf? in /etc/asterisk/
> 
> externip= <your router ip address>
> localnet=x.x.x.0/255.255.255.0
> 
> This can solve many problems especially if you are trying to receive
> inbound calls through the internet.
> 
> 
> --- On *Fri, 7/31/09, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim /<ahmad at koutbo6.com>/* wrote:
> 
> 
>? ???From: Ahmad Al-Ibrahim <ahmad at koutbo6.com>
>? ???Subject: Re: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
>? ???To: "General OpenSource Discussion" <general at oskw.org>
>? ???Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 3:58 AM
> 
>? ???Majed,
> 
>? ???Yes, that was the first thing I've tried without success, after that I
>? ???configured the PBX to be on DMZ. I will let you know once it is solved.
> 
>? ???Regards,
> 
>? ???Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
> 
>? ???Majed B. wrote:
>? ???> Ahmad: Did set port-forwarding rules from your gateway to Asterisk?
>? ???> According to what I read, these ports should be redirected to the
>? ???> Asterisk box:
>? ???>
>? ???> 5060 (tcp/udp)
>? ???> 10000-20000 (udp)
>? ???>
>? ???> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 3:31 AM, Faisal AlAbhoul<kuwait at q8net.com
>? ???</mc/compose?to=kuwait at q8net.com>> wrote:
>? ???>> Thats the drawbacks of SIP 2..0 over NAT. Try to use IAX2
>? ???protocol, its very
>? ???>> NAT-Friendly but hardly any software clients for mobile phones
>? ???support IAX
>? ???>> or IAX2.
>? ???>>
>? ???>> I see you didnt install G729, you can download the opensource
>? ???G729 and
>? ???>> simply place it in modules directory. The G711 is actually the
>? ???alaw and ulaw
>? ???>> codec, perfect for LAN telephony and FAX over VoIP.
> 
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From kuwait at q8net.com  Fri Jul 31 17:48:37 2009
From: kuwait at q8net.com (Faisal AlAbhoul)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 07:48:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <4A72C6BF.8040801@koutbo6.com>
Message-ID: <667555.23827.qm@web76105.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>

I noticed you're having 74 ms within your LAN, if its the mobile device
i think its normal but otherwise its unusual. The extension 100 having
900ms, that's an odd case indeed....was Asterisk just restarted or
Trixbox? heavy downloading when you got the debugging page?

--- On Fri, 7/31/09, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim <ahmad at koutbo6.com> wrote:

From: Ahmad Al-Ibrahim <ahmad at koutbo6.com>
Subject: Re: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
To: "General OpenSource Discussion" <general at oskw.org>
Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 1:26 PM

Bo Rashed,

I've tried that without luck, I'm trying to connect to asterisk from my
mobile using 3G/GPRS which is behind NAT, and asterisk is behind NAT too.

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From bashar.abdullah at gmail.com  Fri Jul 31 19:43:24 2009
From: bashar.abdullah at gmail.com (bashar abdullah)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 19:43:24 +0300
Subject: [General] Finally lights are on,
	Yahoo Drops search to 	Microsoft's Bing
In-Reply-To: <4A72FF59.20301@alawadhi.com>
References: <4A71AE08.3040601@kuwaitnet.net> <4A72FF59.20301@alawadhi.com>
Message-ID: <862afa530907310943t68288ab8o3ce250b89b802067@mail.gmail.com>

I think it's a big step for Microsoft to close gap on Google, it's a step
towards Microsoft assessing how valuable Yahoo can be for future
acquisition, although I think 10 years is way too long.

The silly thing is, Yahoo after years of being second or third in search,
has still only a handful of countries supported for ad targeting, thus
missing out on very large chunk of revenue. Everytime I want to try them I
stop because of this limitation, and they better start expanding.

As for Google, I think they should've tried to get Yahoo more on their side,
but if they win this, there is gonna be no second chance for MSFT after
that, and neither Yahoo!


On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 5:27 PM, Talal Al Awadhi <talal at alawadhi.com> wrote:

> Microsoft gave a lot for that.
>
> Can you imagine? All Microsoft sites, starting from MSN Network, Hotmail,
> Bing, Messenger, and many others. On top of Yahoo network will all be
> exclusively available on Yahoo Ads system.
>
> How valuable is the search engine industry for Microsoft for it to give
> Yahoo the Ads market in exchange of the Search?
>
> Welcome to competition again Google, Bing in Search engine. And Yahoo Ads
> with Google Adwords/Adsense market.
>
>
> Bashar Al-Abdulhadi wrote:
>
>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_microsoft_yahoo
>>
>> http://choicevalueinnovation.com/thedeal/pressroom/Default.aspx
>>
>>
>> and Yahoo will control the internet Ads
>>
>>
>> Fair, not fair?
>>
>>
>> and Google ?? ??? ?? ????? ??? :D
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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From majedb at gmail.com  Fri Jul 31 21:12:38 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 21:12:38 +0300
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <499355.86342.qm@web76114.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>
References: <4A72C6BF.8040801@koutbo6.com>
	<499355.86342.qm@web76114.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <70ed7c3e0907311112g4dc1bfdax9262b814623358d2@mail.gmail.com>

Ahmad,

Check out this page:
http://www.trixbox.org/forums/trixbox-forums/open-discussion/sip-nat-conf-and-externip

Apparently, what I had in mind actually works! This will save me the
trouble of updating the IP every time the DSL modem disconnects (if it
did), and since IPcop has the ability to integrate with dyndns and
no-ip, it will update my host by itself. Ain't that sweet? :D

On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Faisal AlAbhoul<kuwait at q8net.com> wrote:
> I noticed you're having 74 ms within your LAN, if its the mobile device i
> think its normal but otherwise its unusual. The extension 100 having 900ms,
> that's an odd case indeed....was Asterisk just restarted or Trixbox? heavy
> downloading when you got the debugging page?
>
> --- On Fri, 7/31/09, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim <ahmad at koutbo6.com> wrote:
>
> From: Ahmad Al-Ibrahim <ahmad at koutbo6.com>
> Subject: Re: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
> To: "General OpenSource Discussion" <general at oskw.org>
> Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 1:26 PM
>
> Bo Rashed,
>
> I've tried that without luck, I'm trying to connect to asterisk from my
> mobile using 3G/GPRS which is behind NAT, and asterisk is behind NAT too.
>
> trixbox1*CLI> sip show peers
> Name/username? ? ? ? ? ? ? Host? ? ? ? ? ? Dyn Nat ACL Port? ???Status
> 300? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? (Unspecified)? ? D???N???A? 5060? ???UNKNOWN
> 200/200? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 192.168.1.8? ? ? D???N???A? 5060? ???OK (74 ms)
> 100/100? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 95.66.116.121? ? D???N???A? 5060? ???OK (946 ms)
>
> The device is registered with asterisk without problems, calling will
> ring both ways, the problem is with the sound, RTP not being connected
> properly.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
>
> Faisal AlAbhoul wrote:
>> Try adding the following two lines in your sip_nat.conf? in /etc/asterisk/
>>
>> externip= <your router ip address>
>> localnet=x.x.x.0/255.255.255.0
>>
>> This can solve many problems especially if you are trying to receive
>> inbound calls through the internet.
>>
>>
>> --- On *Fri, 7/31/09, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim /<ahmad at koutbo6.com>/* wrote:
>>
>>
>>? ???From: Ahmad Al-Ibrahim <ahmad at koutbo6.com>
>>? ???Subject: Re: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
>>? ???To: "General OpenSource Discussion" <general at oskw.org>
>>? ???Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 3:58 AM
>>
>>? ???Majed,
>>
>>? ???Yes, that was the first thing I've tried without success, after that I
>>? ???configured the PBX to be on DMZ. I will let you know once it is
>> solved.
>>
>>? ???Regards,
>>
>>? ???Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
>>
>>? ???Majed B. wrote:
>>? ???> Ahmad: Did set port-forwarding rules from your gateway to Asterisk?
>>? ???> According to what I read, these ports should be redirected to the
>>? ???> Asterisk box:
>>? ???>
>>? ???> 5060 (tcp/udp)
>>? ???> 10000-20000 (udp)
>>? ???>
>>? ???> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 3:31 AM, Faisal AlAbhoul<kuwait at q8net.com
>>? ???</mc/compose?to=kuwait at q8net.com>> wrote:
>>? ???>> Thats the drawbacks of SIP 2..0 over NAT. Try to use IAX2
>>? ???protocol, its very
>>? ???>> NAT-Friendly but hardly any software clients for mobile phones
>>? ???support IAX
>>? ???>> or IAX2.
>>? ???>>
>>? ???>> I see you didnt install G729, you can download the opensource
>>? ???G729 and
>>? ???>> simply place it in modules directory. The G711 is actually the
>>? ???alaw and ulaw
>>? ???>> codec, perfect for LAN telephony and FAX over VoIP.
>>
>>? ???_______________________________________________
>>? ???General mailing list
>>? ?&nb
>
> _______________________________________________
> General mailing list
> General at oskw.org
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From ahmad at koutbo6.com  Fri Jul 31 22:04:22 2009
From: ahmad at koutbo6.com (Ahmad Al-Ibrahim)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 22:04:22 +0300
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <70ed7c3e0907310353m63d514a1ycf14ff97f1f93fe@mail.gmail.com>
References: <318063.59657.qm@web76105.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>
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Majed,

Yes, that was the first thing to do, next I configured the PBX to be on DMZ
to have all of the incoming traffic.

Regards,

Ahmad Al-Ibrahim

On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 13:53:25 +0300, "Majed B." <majedb at gmail.com> wrote:
> Ahmad,
> 
> Did you port-forward UDP: 5060,10000-20000 to your Asterisk box?
> 
> As for the sound, you need to change the codec.
> 
> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim<ahmad at koutbo6.com>
wrote:
>> Bo Rashed,
>>
>> I've tried that without luck, I'm trying to connect to asterisk from my
>> mobile using 3G/GPRS which is behind NAT, and asterisk is behind NAT
too.
>>
>> trixbox1*CLI> sip show peers
>> Name/username ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Host ? ? ? ? ? ?Dyn Nat ACL Port
>> ? ? Status
>> 300 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?(Unspecified) ? ?D ? N ? A
>> ?5060 ? ? UNKNOWN
>> 200/200 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?192.168.1.8 ? ? ?D ? N ? A
>> ?5060 ? ? OK (74 ms)
>> 100/100 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?95.66.116.121 ? ?D ? N ? A
>> ?5060 ? ? OK (946 ms)
>>
>> The device is registered with asterisk without problems, calling will
>> ring both ways, the problem is with the sound, RTP not being connected
>> properly.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
>>
>> Faisal AlAbhoul wrote:
>>> Try adding the following two lines in your sip_nat.conf ?in
>>> /etc/asterisk/
>>>
>>> externip= <your router ip address>
>>> localnet=x.x.x.0/255.255.255.0
>>>
>>> This can solve many problems especially if you are trying to receive
>>> inbound calls through the internet.
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On *Fri, 7/31/09, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim /<ahmad at koutbo6.com>/* wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> ? ? From: Ahmad Al-Ibrahim <ahmad at koutbo6.com>
>>> ? ? Subject: Re: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
>>> ? ? To: "General OpenSource Discussion" <general at oskw.org>
>>> ? ? Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 3:58 AM
>>>
>>> ? ? Majed,
>>>
>>> ? ? Yes, that was the first thing I've tried without success, after
>>> that I
>>> ? ? configured the PBX to be on DMZ. I will let you know once it is
>>> solved.
>>>
>>> ? ? Regards,
>>>
>>> ? ? Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
>>>
>>> ? ? Majed B. wrote:
>>> ? ? > Ahmad: Did set port-forwarding rules from your gateway to
>>> Asterisk?
>>> ? ? > According to what I read, these ports should be redirected to
>>> the
>>> ? ? > Asterisk box:
>>> ? ? >
>>> ? ? > 5060 (tcp/udp)
>>> ? ? > 10000-20000 (udp)
>>> ? ? >
>>> ? ? > On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 3:31 AM, Faisal
>>> AlAbhoul<kuwait at q8net.com
>>> ? ? </mc/compose?to=kuwait at q8net.com>> wrote:
>>> ? ? >> Thats the drawbacks of SIP 2..0 over NAT. Try to use IAX2
>>> ? ? protocol, its very
>>> ? ? >> NAT-Friendly but hardly any software clients for mobile phones
>>> ? ? support IAX
>>> ? ? >> or IAX2.
>>> ? ? >>
>>> ? ? >> I see you didnt install G729, you can download the opensource
>>> ? ? G729 and
>>> ? ? >> simply place it in modules directory. The G711 is actually the
>>> ? ? alaw and ulaw
>>> ? ? >> codec, perfect for LAN telephony and FAX over VoIP.
>>>
>>> ? ? _______________________________________________
>>> ? ? General mailing list
>>> ? ? General at oskw.org </mc/compose?to=General at oskw.org>
>>> ? ? http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>>>
>>>
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From ahmad at koutbo6.com  Fri Jul 31 22:40:38 2009
From: ahmad at koutbo6.com (Ahmad Al-Ibrahim)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 22:40:38 +0300
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <6274.24063.qm@web76111.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>
References: <6274.24063.qm@web76111.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <be1879cbdc8ffef4ff224e85813f3a7a@localhost>


I've assigned single port to RTP without luck.

Regards,

Ahmad Al-Ibrahim

On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 07:36:13 -0700 (PDT), Faisal AlAbhoul
<kuwait at q8net.com>
wrote:
> Like Bashar said Zain wont give you a real IP, instead they bridge your
> device with the real ip at their end, i have found that while trying to
fix
> my brother's router to host online games.
> 
> Ahmad, try to allocate a single port to RTP instead of a range, this
might
> help as i have done it on my ClarkConnect router.
> 
> --- On Fri, 7/31/09, Bashar Al-Abdulhadi <bashar at kuwaitnet.net> wrote:
> 
> From: Bashar Al-Abdulhadi <bashar at kuwaitnet.net>
> Subject: Re: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
> To: "General OpenSource Discussion" <general at oskw.org>
> Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 5:19 PM
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   
>   
> Zain NAT's your mobile connection maybe thats causing the issue ?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim wrote, On 07/31/2009 01:12 PM:
> 
>   Majed, I went through most of the articles, my case is th last and the
> worst case, where asterisk is behind NAT, and the mobile is behind NAT
> in other network.
> 
> tcpdump shows RTP packets sent from asterisk to the mobile without a
> response from the mobile.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
> 
> Majed B. wrote:
>   
>   
>     Ahmad, the issue has already been addressed before and is documented
> with solutions. The first 3 hits should have the proper solution for
> you/us:
> 
> http://www.google.com/search?q=asterisk+nat
> 
> Let me know which one works out!
> 
> I just installed IPcop on my HP T5700 ThinClient (which has support
> for my SpeedTouch USB DSL Modem)!!! So I should be able to get
> Asterisk running online in 2 days or so. Inshallah....
> 
> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 3:58 AM, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim<ahmad at koutbo6.com>
wrote:
>     
>     
>       Majed,
> 
> Yes, that was the first thing I've tried without success, after that I
> configured the PBX to be on DMZ. I will let you know once it is solved.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
> 
> Majed B. wrote:
>       
>       
>         Ahmad: Did set port-forwarding rules from your gateway to
Asterisk?
> According to what I read, these ports should be redirected to the
> Asterisk box:
> 
> 5060 (tcp/udp)
> 10000-20000 (udp)
> 
> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 3:31 AM, Faisal AlAbhoul<kuwait at q8net.com> wrote:
>         
>         
>           Thats the drawbacks of SIP 2.0 over NAT. Try to use IAX2
>           protocol, its very
> NAT-Friendly but hardly any software clients for mobile phones support
IAX
> or IAX2.
> 
> I see you didnt install G729, you can download the opensource G729 and
> simply place it in modules directory. The G711 is actually the alaw and
> ulaw
> codec, perfect for LAN telephony and FAX over VoIP.
>           
>         
>       
>       _______________________________________________
> General mailing list
> General at oskw.org
> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
> 
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From ahmad at koutbo6.com  Fri Jul 31 22:42:50 2009
From: ahmad at koutbo6.com (Ahmad Al-Ibrahim)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 22:42:50 +0300
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <499355.86342.qm@web76114.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>
References: <499355.86342.qm@web76114.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <e5ea0a40a070776c25cb0446f4b5bfa4@localhost>


100 is a mobile over 3G/EDGE, 200 is a mobile over LAN. Usually i get 5ms
in my laptop.

Regards,

Ahmad Al-Ibrahim

On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 07:46:14 -0700 (PDT), Faisal AlAbhoul
<kuwait at q8net.com>
wrote:
> I noticed you're having 74 ms within your LAN, if its the mobile device i
> think its normal but otherwise its unusual. The extension 100 having
900ms,
> that's an odd case indeed....was Asterisk just restarted or Trixbox?
heavy
> downloading when you got the debugging page?
> 
> --- On Fri, 7/31/09, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim <ahmad at koutbo6.com> wrote:
> 
> From: Ahmad Al-Ibrahim <ahmad at koutbo6.com>
> Subject: Re: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
> To: "General OpenSource Discussion" <general at oskw.org>
> Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 1:26 PM
> 
> Bo Rashed,
> 
> I've tried that without luck, I'm trying to connect to asterisk from my
> mobile using 3G/GPRS which is behind NAT, and asterisk is behind NAT too.
> 
> trixbox1*CLI> sip show peers
> Name/username? ? ? ? ? ? ? Host? ? ? ? ? ? Dyn Nat ACL
Port?
> ???Status
> 300? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? (Unspecified)? ?
D???N???A?
> 5060? ???UNKNOWN
> 200/200? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 192.168.1.8? ? ?
D???N???A?
> 5060? ???OK (74 ms)
> 100/100? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 95.66.116.121? ? D???N???A?
> 5060? ???OK (946 ms)
> 
> The device is registered with asterisk without problems, calling will
> ring both ways, the problem is with the sound, RTP not being connected
> properly.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
> 
> Faisal AlAbhoul wrote:
>> Try adding the following two lines in your sip_nat.conf? in
>> /etc/asterisk/
>> 
>> externip= <your router ip address>
>> localnet=x.x.x.0/255.255.255.0
>> 
>> This can solve many problems especially if you are trying to receive
>> inbound calls through the internet.
>> 
>> 
>> --- On *Fri, 7/31/09, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim /<ahmad at koutbo6.com>/* wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>? ???From: Ahmad Al-Ibrahim <ahmad at koutbo6.com>
>>? ???Subject: Re: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
>>? ???To: "General OpenSource Discussion" <general at oskw.org>
>>? ???Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 3:58 AM
>> 
>>? ???Majed,
>> 
>>? ???Yes, that was the first thing I've tried without success, after
>>that I
>>? ???configured the PBX to be on DMZ. I will let you know once it is
>>solved.
>> 
>>? ???Regards,
>> 
>>? ???Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
>> 
>>? ???Majed B. wrote:
>>? ???> Ahmad: Did set port-forwarding rules from your gateway to
>>Asterisk?
>>? ???> According to what I read, these ports should be redirected to
>>the
>>? ???> Asterisk box:
>>? ???>
>>? ???> 5060 (tcp/udp)
>>? ???> 10000-20000 (udp)
>>? ???>
>>? ???> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 3:31 AM, Faisal
>>AlAbhoul<kuwait at q8net.com
>>? ???</mc/compose?to=kuwait at q8net.com>> wrote:
>>? ???>> Thats the drawbacks of SIP 2..0 over NAT. Try to use IAX2
>>? ???protocol, its very
>>? ???>> NAT-Friendly but hardly any software clients for mobile
phones
>>? ???support IAX
>>? ???>> or IAX2.
>>? ???>>
>>? ???>> I see you didnt install G729, you can download the opensource
>>? ???G729 and
>>? ???>> simply place it in modules directory. The G711 is actually
the
>>? ???alaw and ulaw
>>? ???>> codec, perfect for LAN telephony and FAX over VoIP.
>> 
>>? ???_______________________________________________
>>? ???General mailing list
>>? ?&nb



From ahmad at koutbo6.com  Fri Jul 31 22:56:35 2009
From: ahmad at koutbo6.com (Ahmad Al-Ibrahim)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 22:56:35 +0300
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <70ed7c3e0907311112g4dc1bfdax9262b814623358d2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A72C6BF.8040801@koutbo6.com>
	<499355.86342.qm@web76114.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>
	<70ed7c3e0907311112g4dc1bfdax9262b814623358d2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <03126ad01be31713c2990ddc275bdba8@localhost>


Majed

I have already done what is there in the page. no luck.

I use USR9108 DSL modem, it supports dyndns, and can update the record for
you :)

Regards,

Ahmad Al-Ibrahim

On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 21:12:38 +0300, "Majed B." <majedb at gmail.com> wrote:
> Ahmad,
> 
> Check out this page:
>
http://www.trixbox.org/forums/trixbox-forums/open-discussion/sip-nat-conf-and-externip
> 
> Apparently, what I had in mind actually works! This will save me the
> trouble of updating the IP every time the DSL modem disconnects (if it
> did), and since IPcop has the ability to integrate with dyndns and
> no-ip, it will update my host by itself. Ain't that sweet? :D
> 
> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Faisal AlAbhoul<kuwait at q8net.com> wrote:
>> I noticed you're having 74 ms within your LAN, if its the mobile device
i
>> think its normal but otherwise its unusual. The extension 100 having
>> 900ms,
>> that's an odd case indeed....was Asterisk just restarted or Trixbox?
>> heavy
>> downloading when you got the debugging page?
>>
>> --- On Fri, 7/31/09, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim <ahmad at koutbo6.com> wrote:
>>
>> From: Ahmad Al-Ibrahim <ahmad at koutbo6.com>
>> Subject: Re: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
>> To: "General OpenSource Discussion" <general at oskw.org>
>> Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 1:26 PM
>>
>> Bo Rashed,
>>
>> I've tried that without luck, I'm trying to connect to asterisk from my
>> mobile using 3G/GPRS which is behind NAT, and asterisk is behind NAT
too.
>>
>> trixbox1*CLI> sip show peers
>> Name/username? ? ? ? ? ? ? Host? ? ? ? ? ? Dyn Nat ACL
>> Port? ???Status
>> 300? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? (Unspecified)? ?
>> D???N???A? 5060? ???UNKNOWN
>> 200/200? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 192.168.1.8? ? ?
>> D???N???A? 5060? ???OK (74 ms)
>> 100/100? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 95.66.116.121? ?
D???N???A?
>> 5060? ???OK (946 ms)
>>
>> The device is registered with asterisk without problems, calling will
>> ring both ways, the problem is with the sound, RTP not being connected
>> properly.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
>>
>> Faisal AlAbhoul wrote:
>>> Try adding the following two lines in your sip_nat.conf? in
>>> /etc/asterisk/
>>>
>>> externip= <your router ip address>
>>> localnet=x.x.x.0/255.255.255.0
>>>
>>> This can solve many problems especially if you are trying to receive
>>> inbound calls through the internet.
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On *Fri, 7/31/09, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim /<ahmad at koutbo6.com>/* wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>? ???From: Ahmad Al-Ibrahim <ahmad at koutbo6.com>
>>>? ???Subject: Re: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
>>>? ???To: "General OpenSource Discussion" <general at oskw.org>
>>>? ???Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 3:58 AM
>>>
>>>? ???Majed,
>>>
>>>? ???Yes, that was the first thing I've tried without success, after
>>>that I
>>>? ???configured the PBX to be on DMZ. I will let you know once it is
>>> solved.
>>>
>>>? ???Regards,
>>>
>>>? ???Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
>>>
>>>? ???Majed B. wrote:
>>>? ???> Ahmad: Did set port-forwarding rules from your gateway to
>>>Asterisk?
>>>? ???> According to what I read, these ports should be redirected to
>>>the
>>>? ???> Asterisk box:
>>>? ???>
>>>? ???> 5060 (tcp/udp)
>>>? ???> 10000-20000 (udp)
>>>? ???>
>>>? ???> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 3:31 AM, Faisal
>>>AlAbhoul<kuwait at q8net.com
>>>? ???</mc/compose?to=kuwait at q8net.com>> wrote:
>>>? ???>> Thats the drawbacks of SIP 2..0 over NAT. Try to use IAX2
>>>? ???protocol, its very
>>>? ???>> NAT-Friendly but hardly any software clients for mobile
>>>phones
>>>? ???support IAX
>>>? ???>> or IAX2.
>>>? ???>>
>>>? ???>> I see you didnt install G729, you can download the
opensource
>>>? ???G729 and
>>>? ???>> simply place it in modules directory. The G711 is actually
>>>the
>>>? ???alaw and ulaw
>>>? ???>> codec, perfect for LAN telephony and FAX over VoIP.
>>>
>>>? ???_______________________________________________
>>>? ???General mailing list
>>>? ?&nb
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> General mailing list
>> General at oskw.org
>> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>>
>>



From majedb at gmail.com  Fri Jul 31 23:14:22 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 23:14:22 +0300
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <03126ad01be31713c2990ddc275bdba8@localhost>
References: <4A72C6BF.8040801@koutbo6.com>
	<499355.86342.qm@web76114.mail.sg1.yahoo.com> 
	<70ed7c3e0907311112g4dc1bfdax9262b814623358d2@mail.gmail.com> 
	<03126ad01be31713c2990ddc275bdba8@localhost>
Message-ID: <70ed7c3e0907311314t4a9a6f1av81af054fb83b7c40@mail.gmail.com>

I was just able to call my friend in the US (I created him an
extension on my PBX after a few settings)...

I can hear him clearly but my voice is very faint to him.

Also, I'm unable to dial out anymore. Even to my voicemail and the
stupid clock announcer....

I added these lines in the file: /etc/asterisk/sip_general_custom.conf

nat=yes
externip=pbx.mbhbox.net
localnet=192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0

On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 10:56 PM, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim<ahmad at koutbo6.com> wrote:
>
> Majed
>
> I have already done what is there in the page. no luck.
>
> I use USR9108 DSL modem, it supports dyndns, and can update the record for
> you :)
>
> Regards,
>
> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
>
> On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 21:12:38 +0300, "Majed B." <majedb at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Ahmad,
>>
>> Check out this page:
>>
> http://www.trixbox.org/forums/trixbox-forums/open-discussion/sip-nat-conf-and-externip
>>
>> Apparently, what I had in mind actually works! This will save me the
>> trouble of updating the IP every time the DSL modem disconnects (if it
>> did), and since IPcop has the ability to integrate with dyndns and
>> no-ip, it will update my host by itself. Ain't that sweet? :D
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Faisal AlAbhoul<kuwait at q8net.com> wrote:
>>> I noticed you're having 74 ms within your LAN, if its the mobile device
> i
>>> think its normal but otherwise its unusual. The extension 100 having
>>> 900ms,
>>> that's an odd case indeed....was Asterisk just restarted or Trixbox
>>> heavy
>>> downloading when you got the debugging page?
>>>
>>> --- On Fri, 7/31/09, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim <ahmad at koutbo6.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> From: Ahmad Al-Ibrahim <ahmad at koutbo6.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
>>> To: "General OpenSource Discussion" <general at oskw.org>
>>> Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 1:26 PM
>>>
>>> Bo Rashed,
>>>
>>> I've tried that without luck, I'm trying to connect to asterisk from my
>>> mobile using 3G/GPRS which is behind NAT, and asterisk is behind NAT
> too.
>>>
>>> trixbox1*CLI> sip show peers
>>> Name/username? ? ? ? ? ? ? Host? ? ? ? ? ? Dyn Nat ACL
>>> Port? ???Status
>>> 300? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? (Unspecified)
>>> D???N???A? 5060? ???UNKNOWN
>>> 200/200? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 192.168.1.8
>>> D???N???A? 5060? ???OK (74 ms)
>>> 100/100? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 95.66.116.121
> D???N???A
>>> 5060? ???OK (946 ms)
>>>
>>> The device is registered with asterisk without problems, calling will
>>> ring both ways, the problem is with the sound, RTP not being connected
>>> properly.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
>>>
>>> Faisal AlAbhoul wrote:
>>>> Try adding the following two lines in your sip_nat.conf? in
>>>> /etc/asterisk/
>>>>
>>>> externip= <your router ip address>
>>>> localnet=x.x.x.0/255.255.255.0
>>>>
>>>> This can solve many problems especially if you are trying to receive
>>>> inbound calls through the internet.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- On *Fri, 7/31/09, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim /<ahmad at koutbo6.com>/* wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>? ???From: Ahmad Al-Ibrahim <ahmad at koutbo6.com>
>>>>? ???Subject: Re: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
>>>>? ???To: "General OpenSource Discussion" <general at oskw.org>
>>>>? ???Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 3:58 AM
>>>>
>>>>? ???Majed,
>>>>
>>>>? ???Yes, that was the first thing I've tried without success, after
>>>>that I
>>>>? ???configured the PBX to be on DMZ. I will let you know once it is
>>>> solved.
>>>>
>>>>? ???Regards,
>>>>
>>>>? ???Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
>>>>
>>>>? ???Majed B. wrote:
>>>>? ???> Ahmad: Did set port-forwarding rules from your gateway to
>>>>Asterisk?
>>>>? ???> According to what I read, these ports should be redirected to
>>>>the
>>>>? ???> Asterisk box:
>>>>? ???>
>>>>? ???> 5060 (tcp/udp)
>>>>? ???> 10000-20000 (udp)
>>>>? ???>
>>>>? ???> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 3:31 AM, Faisal
>>>>AlAbhoul<kuwait at q8net.com
>>>>? ???</mc/compose?to=kuwait at q8net.com>> wrote:
>>>>? ???>> Thats the drawbacks of SIP 2..0 over NAT. Try to use IAX2
>>>>? ???protocol, its very
>>>>? ???>> NAT-Friendly but hardly any software clients for mobile
>>>>phones
>>>>? ???support IAX
>>>>? ???>> or IAX2.
>>>>? ???>>
>>>>? ???>> I see you didnt install G729, you can download the
> opensource
>>>>? ???G729 and
>>>>? ???>> simply place it in modules directory. The G711 is actually
>>>>the
>>>>? ???alaw and ulaw
>>>>? ???>> codec, perfect for LAN telephony and FAX over VoIP.
>>>>
>>>>? ???_______________________________________________
>>>>? ???General mailing list
>>>>? ?&nb
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> General mailing list
>>> General at oskw.org
>>> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>>>
>>>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>



-- 
       Majed B.



From ahmad at koutbo6.com  Fri Jul 31 23:48:30 2009
From: ahmad at koutbo6.com (Ahmad Al-Ibrahim)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 23:48:30 +0300
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <70ed7c3e0907311314t4a9a6f1av81af054fb83b7c40@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A72C6BF.8040801@koutbo6.com>
	<499355.86342.qm@web76114.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>
	<70ed7c3e0907311112g4dc1bfdax9262b814623358d2@mail.gmail.com>
	<03126ad01be31713c2990ddc275bdba8@localhost>
	<70ed7c3e0907311314t4a9a6f1av81af054fb83b7c40@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a8ff081725d25dfbde6cc9d875d8831a@localhost>


Try setting the hostname of the pbx in /etc/hosts

check this out
http://www.trixbox.org/forums/trixbox-forums/help/nat-problems-changed-sipnatconf-and-still-no-audio

are you behind NAT?
your friend is using a public IP or behind NAT?

Regards,

Ahmad Al-Ibrahim

On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 23:14:22 +0300, "Majed B." <majedb at gmail.com> wrote:
> I was just able to call my friend in the US (I created him an
> extension on my PBX after a few settings)...
> 
> I can hear him clearly but my voice is very faint to him.
> 
> Also, I'm unable to dial out anymore. Even to my voicemail and the
> stupid clock announcer....
> 
> I added these lines in the file: /etc/asterisk/sip_general_custom.conf
> 
> nat=yes
> externip=pbx.mbhbox.net
> localnet=192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0
> 
> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 10:56 PM, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim<ahmad at koutbo6.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Majed
>>
>> I have already done what is there in the page. no luck.
>>
>> I use USR9108 DSL modem, it supports dyndns, and can update the record
>> for
>> you :)
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
>>
>> On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 21:12:38 +0300, "Majed B." <majedb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Ahmad,
>>>
>>> Check out this page:
>>>
>>
http://www.trixbox.org/forums/trixbox-forums/open-discussion/sip-nat-conf-and-externip
>>>
>>> Apparently, what I had in mind actually works! This will save me the
>>> trouble of updating the IP every time the DSL modem disconnects (if it
>>> did), and since IPcop has the ability to integrate with dyndns and
>>> no-ip, it will update my host by itself. Ain't that sweet? :D
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Faisal AlAbhoul<kuwait at q8net.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> I noticed you're having 74 ms within your LAN, if its the mobile
device
>> i
>>>> think its normal but otherwise its unusual. The extension 100 having
>>>> 900ms,
>>>> that's an odd case indeed....was Asterisk just restarted or Trixbox
>>>> heavy
>>>> downloading when you got the debugging page?
>>>>
>>>> --- On Fri, 7/31/09, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim <ahmad at koutbo6.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> From: Ahmad Al-Ibrahim <ahmad at koutbo6.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
>>>> To: "General OpenSource Discussion" <general at oskw.org>
>>>> Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 1:26 PM
>>>>
>>>> Bo Rashed,
>>>>
>>>> I've tried that without luck, I'm trying to connect to asterisk from
my
>>>> mobile using 3G/GPRS which is behind NAT, and asterisk is behind NAT
>> too.
>>>>
>>>> trixbox1*CLI> sip show peers
>>>> Name/username? ? ? ? ? ? ? Host? ? ? ? ? ? Dyn Nat ACL
>>>> Port? ???Status
>>>> 300? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? (Unspecified)
>>>> D???N???A? 5060? ???UNKNOWN
>>>> 200/200? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 192.168.1.8
>>>> D???N???A? 5060? ???OK (74 ms)
>>>> 100/100? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 95.66.116.121
>> D???N???A
>>>> 5060? ???OK (946 ms)
>>>>
>>>> The device is registered with asterisk without problems, calling will
>>>> ring both ways, the problem is with the sound, RTP not being connected
>>>> properly.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
>>>>
>>>> Faisal AlAbhoul wrote:
>>>>> Try adding the following two lines in your sip_nat.conf? in
>>>>> /etc/asterisk/
>>>>>
>>>>> externip= <your router ip address>
>>>>> localnet=x.x.x.0/255.255.255.0
>>>>>
>>>>> This can solve many problems especially if you are trying to receive
>>>>> inbound calls through the internet.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --- On *Fri, 7/31/09, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim /<ahmad at koutbo6.com>/* wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>? ???From: Ahmad Al-Ibrahim <ahmad at koutbo6.com>
>>>>>? ???Subject: Re: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
>>>>>? ???To: "General OpenSource Discussion" <general at oskw.org>
>>>>>? ???Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 3:58 AM
>>>>>
>>>>>? ???Majed,
>>>>>
>>>>>? ???Yes, that was the first thing I've tried without success,
>>>>>after
>>>>>that I
>>>>>? ???configured the PBX to be on DMZ. I will let you know once it
>>>>>is
>>>>> solved.
>>>>>
>>>>>? ???Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>>? ???Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
>>>>>
>>>>>? ???Majed B. wrote:
>>>>>? ???> Ahmad: Did set port-forwarding rules from your gateway to
>>>>>Asterisk?
>>>>>? ???> According to what I read, these ports should be redirected
>>>>>to
>>>>>the
>>>>>? ???> Asterisk box:
>>>>>? ???>
>>>>>? ???> 5060 (tcp/udp)
>>>>>? ???> 10000-20000 (udp)
>>>>>? ???>
>>>>>? ???> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 3:31 AM, Faisal
>>>>>AlAbhoul<kuwait at q8net.com
>>>>>? ???</mc/compose?to=kuwait at q8net.com>> wrote:
>>>>>? ???>> Thats the drawbacks of SIP 2..0 over NAT. Try to use IAX2
>>>>>? ???protocol, its very
>>>>>? ???>> NAT-Friendly but hardly any software clients for mobile
>>>>>phones
>>>>>? ???support IAX
>>>>>? ???>> or IAX2.
>>>>>? ???>>
>>>>>? ???>> I see you didnt install G729, you can download the
>> opensource
>>>>>? ???G729 and
>>>>>? ???>> simply place it in modules directory. The G711 is actually
>>>>>the
>>>>>? ???alaw and ulaw
>>>>>? ???>> codec, perfect for LAN telephony and FAX over VoIP.
>>>>>
>>>>>? ???_______________________________________________
>>>>>? ???General mailing list
>>>>>? ?&nb
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> General mailing list
>>>> General at oskw.org
>>>> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> General mailing list
>> General at oskw.org
>> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>>



From majedb at gmail.com  Fri Jul 31 23:54:26 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 23:54:26 +0300
Subject: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
In-Reply-To: <a8ff081725d25dfbde6cc9d875d8831a@localhost>
References: <4A72C6BF.8040801@koutbo6.com>
	<499355.86342.qm@web76114.mail.sg1.yahoo.com> 
	<70ed7c3e0907311112g4dc1bfdax9262b814623358d2@mail.gmail.com> 
	<03126ad01be31713c2990ddc275bdba8@localhost>
	<70ed7c3e0907311314t4a9a6f1av81af054fb83b7c40@mail.gmail.com> 
	<a8ff081725d25dfbde6cc9d875d8831a@localhost>
Message-ID: <70ed7c3e0907311354y5ce359boc578008fcec99fa6@mail.gmail.com>

I'm behind my thinclient which is acting as a firewall (NATting).

I saw that link and the current hostname is: pbx.localdomain
There's no mechanism for me to put my domain name and have the IP
auto-change, unless I write a shell script to do that periodically.

Also to note: When you change the hostname in the trixbox GUI from the
System menu, it doesn't necessarily change it in the hosts file (!!).
So make sure you always change it from the web interface and not the
command line, as it seem to be written and used in other places.

I forgot to ask my friend if he's behind a nat or not.

On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim<ahmad at koutbo6.com> wrote:
>
> Try setting the hostname of the pbx in /etc/hosts
>
> check this out
> http://www.trixbox.org/forums/trixbox-forums/help/nat-problems-changed-sipnatconf-and-still-no-audio
>
> are you behind NAT?
> your friend is using a public IP or behind NAT?
>
> Regards,
>
> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
>
> On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 23:14:22 +0300, "Majed B." <majedb at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I was just able to call my friend in the US (I created him an
>> extension on my PBX after a few settings)...
>>
>> I can hear him clearly but my voice is very faint to him.
>>
>> Also, I'm unable to dial out anymore. Even to my voicemail and the
>> stupid clock announcer....
>>
>> I added these lines in the file: /etc/asterisk/sip_general_custom.conf
>>
>> nat=yes
>> externip=pbx.mbhbox.net
>> localnet=192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 10:56 PM, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim<ahmad at koutbo6.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Majed
>>>
>>> I have already done what is there in the page. no luck.
>>>
>>> I use USR9108 DSL modem, it supports dyndns, and can update the record
>>> for
>>> you :)
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
>>>
>>> On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 21:12:38 +0300, "Majed B." <majedb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Ahmad,
>>>>
>>>> Check out this page:
>>>>
>>>
> http://www.trixbox.org/forums/trixbox-forums/open-discussion/sip-nat-conf-and-externip
>>>>
>>>> Apparently, what I had in mind actually works! This will save me the
>>>> trouble of updating the IP every time the DSL modem disconnects (if it
>>>> did), and since IPcop has the ability to integrate with dyndns and
>>>> no-ip, it will update my host by itself. Ain't that sweet? :D
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Faisal AlAbhoul<kuwait at q8net.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> I noticed you're having 74 ms within your LAN, if its the mobile
> device
>>> i
>>>>> think its normal but otherwise its unusual. The extension 100 having
>>>>> 900ms,
>>>>> that's an odd case indeed....was Asterisk just restarted or Trixbox
>>>>> heavy
>>>>> downloading when you got the debugging page?
>>>>>
>>>>> --- On Fri, 7/31/09, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim <ahmad at koutbo6.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Ahmad Al-Ibrahim <ahmad at koutbo6.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
>>>>> To: "General OpenSource Discussion" <general at oskw.org>
>>>>> Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 1:26 PM
>>>>>
>>>>> Bo Rashed,
>>>>>
>>>>> I've tried that without luck, I'm trying to connect to asterisk from
> my
>>>>> mobile using 3G/GPRS which is behind NAT, and asterisk is behind NAT
>>> too.
>>>>>
>>>>> trixbox1*CLI> sip show peers
>>>>> Name/username? ? ? ? ? ? ? Host? ? ? ? ? ? Dyn Nat ACL
>>>>> Port? ???Status
>>>>> 300? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? (Unspecified)
>>>>> D???N???A? 5060? ???UNKNOWN
>>>>> 200/200? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 192.168.1.8
>>>>> D???N???A? 5060? ???OK (74 ms)
>>>>> 100/100? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 95.66.116.121
>>> D???N???A
>>>>> 5060? ???OK (946 ms)
>>>>>
>>>>> The device is registered with asterisk without problems, calling will
>>>>> ring both ways, the problem is with the sound, RTP not being connected
>>>>> properly.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
>>>>>
>>>>> Faisal AlAbhoul wrote:
>>>>>> Try adding the following two lines in your sip_nat.conf? in
>>>>>> /etc/asterisk/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> externip= <your router ip address>
>>>>>> localnet=x.x.x.0/255.255.255.0
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This can solve many problems especially if you are trying to receive
>>>>>> inbound calls through the internet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --- On *Fri, 7/31/09, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim /<ahmad at koutbo6.com>/* wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>? ???From: Ahmad Al-Ibrahim <ahmad at koutbo6.com>
>>>>>>? ???Subject: Re: [General] VoIP For Home Usage
>>>>>>? ???To: "General OpenSource Discussion" <general at oskw.org>
>>>>>>? ???Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 3:58 AM
>>>>>>
>>>>>>? ???Majed,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>? ???Yes, that was the first thing I've tried without success,
>>>>>>after
>>>>>>that I
>>>>>>? ???configured the PBX to be on DMZ. I will let you know once it
>>>>>>is
>>>>>> solved.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>? ???Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>? ???Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
>>>>>>
>>>>>>? ???Majed B. wrote:
>>>>>>? ???> Ahmad: Did set port-forwarding rules from your gateway to
>>>>>>Asterisk?
>>>>>>? ???> According to what I read, these ports should be redirected
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>? ???> Asterisk box:
>>>>>>? ???>
>>>>>>? ???> 5060 (tcp/udp)
>>>>>>? ???> 10000-20000 (udp)
>>>>>>? ???>
>>>>>>? ???> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 3:31 AM, Faisal
>>>>>>AlAbhoul<kuwait at q8net.com
>>>>>>? ???</mc/compose?to=kuwait at q8net.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>? ???>> Thats the drawbacks of SIP 2..0 over NAT. Try to use IAX2
>>>>>>? ???protocol, its very
>>>>>>? ???>> NAT-Friendly but hardly any software clients for mobile
>>>>>>phones
>>>>>>? ???support IAX
>>>>>>? ???>> or IAX2.
>>>>>>? ???>>
>>>>>>? ???>> I see you didnt install G729, you can download the
>>> opensource
>>>>>>? ???G729 and
>>>>>>? ???>> simply place it in modules directory. The G711 is actually
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>? ???alaw and ulaw
>>>>>>? ???>> codec, perfect for LAN telephony and FAX over VoIP.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>? ???_______________________________________________
>>>>>>? ???General mailing list
>>>>>>? ?&nb
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> General mailing list
>>>>> General at oskw.org
>>>>> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> General mailing list
>>> General at oskw.org
>>> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> General mailing list
> General at oskw.org
> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>



-- 
       Majed B.



