From burhan at kuwaitnet.net  Thu Jan 15 15:18:31 2009
From: burhan at kuwaitnet.net (Burhan Khalid)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:18:31 +0300
Subject: [General] Keyboard Shortcuts E71
Message-ID: <496F2997.1030102@kuwaitnet.net>

FYI:

   These will probably work (to some degree) with other S60 3.1 FP1+ 
devices (E51, E66, etc.) and to a lesser degree, some other non E-series 
devices.

Standby Screen / Misc.
======================

     * Double shift bottom left mode key will lock it.
     * Holding down # to toggle between Silent/General
     * Hold down * switch Bluetooth On/Off.
     * Shift + Return to mark an item
     * Shift + D-pad down to mark multiple items
     * Hold 0 (Zero) to launch default browser
     * Hold down a key to trigger the alternate function. Example: Hold 
down 5 to get G or A to get (
     * From the screen saver mode (when the screen is black), hold down 
the center select key to get a quick summary screen with the date + time 
+ any notifications (emails, missed calls, SMS).
     * Dial phonetic numbers (like 1-800-FLOWERS), dial 1800, hit the 
Func+shift twice, then spell the rest of the number and hit SEND.
     * Left softkey + FN key to quick lock the keypad. Or, you can setup 
automatic key locking Settings > General > Security > Phone and SIM > 
Keypad autolock.
     * Hold down the red END key to disconnect all communications and 
return to the home screen. In the E71, if you hit the END key, any 
current apps will CLOSE instead of going in the background like previous 
Nokia's. To keep the app running in the background, hit the Home key.
     * Hold left soft key to read SMS messages (using built in voice)
     * When your apps are arranged in a grid (as by default), the 
numeric keypad corresponds to each app. So, to get to the second app 
(from the left) on the top row, hit #2


Realplayer
==========
     * FN twice + 2 = full screen
     * D-Pad Up Fast Forward (press and hold)
     * D-Pad Down Rewind (press and hold)

Data Entry / Text
=================
     * Shift + Backspace deletes letter AFTER the cursor
     * Fn + Spacebar quick shortcut to input options
     * SHIFT+CTRL+B (Bold)
     * SHIFT+CTRL+I (Italics)
     * SHIFT+CTRL+U (Underline)
     * Shift + Chr to switch to language selection
     * Fnc+Chr+C (CTRL+C) to copy text.
     * Shift + D-pad to highlight text

Nokia Maps
==========
    * Shift key Zoom In
    * Backspace key Zoom Out
    * Spacebar key, go to current position

Default Browser
===============
    * 1 - Bookmarks
    * 2 - Find on page
    * 5 - Tabulate open Windows
    * * - Zoom In
    * # - Zoom Out
    * 8 - Page Overview
    * 9 - Go To
    * 0 - Homepage
    * Backspace - Close current Window

Gallery
=======
    Fn + * = Full Screen
    Fn + 5 = Zoom In
    Fn + 0 = Zoom Out
    Fn + 3 = Rotate Right
    Fn + 1 = Rotate Left
    Fn + 2 = Full Screen (For Videos)



From bashar at kuwaitnet.net  Sun Jan 18 14:54:45 2009
From: bashar at kuwaitnet.net (Bashar Al-Abdulhadi)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 14:54:45 +0300
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From burhan at kuwaitnet.net  Tue Jan 20 12:39:34 2009
From: burhan at kuwaitnet.net (Burhan Khalid)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 12:39:34 +0300
Subject: [General] Linux Products At Alghanim
Message-ID: <49759BD6.2040303@kuwaitnet.net>

Just FYI - The Alghanim (aka Xcite) store in Avenues has some very 
interesting Linux/OS products including the HP Mini with OpenSUSE 
(including a bad implementation of Arabic -- no joined letters) and the 
T-Mobile G1 (with Android).

Disclaimer:
   I'm not affiliated with Alghanim, I'm just a gadget geek.



From majedb at gmail.com  Tue Jan 20 12:46:39 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 12:46:39 +0300
Subject: [General] Linux Products At Alghanim
In-Reply-To: <49759BD6.2040303@kuwaitnet.net>
References: <49759BD6.2040303@kuwaitnet.net>
Message-ID: <70ed7c3e0901200146v4cf86f6cr125aa7ca9b80dc73@mail.gmail.com>

Are you sure it's the G1?! Its functionality would be locked to T1
only, why would they bring it here?! o_O

Samsung & Asus are coming up with Android phones soon...
-- 
       Majed B.



From bashar.abdullah at gmail.com  Tue Jan 20 12:51:58 2009
From: bashar.abdullah at gmail.com (bashar abdullah)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 12:51:58 +0300
Subject: [General] Linux Products At Alghanim
In-Reply-To: <70ed7c3e0901200146v4cf86f6cr125aa7ca9b80dc73@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49759BD6.2040303@kuwaitnet.net>
	<70ed7c3e0901200146v4cf86f6cr125aa7ca9b80dc73@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <862afa530901200151v371d4358y1a83af4fc9a081f5@mail.gmail.com>

There is a way to unlock G1, and there is also a developer version, maybe
thats it.

On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Majed B. <majedb at gmail.com> wrote:

> Are you sure it's the G1?! Its functionality would be locked to T1
> only, why would they bring it here?! o_O
>
> Samsung & Asus are coming up with Android phones soon...
> --
>        Majed B.
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From majedb at gmail.com  Tue Jan 20 12:57:09 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 12:57:09 +0300
Subject: [General] Linux Products At Alghanim
In-Reply-To: <862afa530901200151v371d4358y1a83af4fc9a081f5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49759BD6.2040303@kuwaitnet.net>
	<70ed7c3e0901200146v4cf86f6cr125aa7ca9b80dc73@mail.gmail.com>
	<862afa530901200151v371d4358y1a83af4fc9a081f5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <70ed7c3e0901200157n68ec0e0bl2dfa3664bb15f855@mail.gmail.com>

I'd rather wait for an official phone that has Android rather than a
hacked one from an American provider... those providers do weird stuff
to their mobiles :/
-- 
       Majed B.



From burhan at kuwaitnet.net  Tue Jan 20 13:07:14 2009
From: burhan at kuwaitnet.net (Burhan Khalid)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 13:07:14 +0300
Subject: [General] Linux Products At Alghanim
In-Reply-To: <70ed7c3e0901200146v4cf86f6cr125aa7ca9b80dc73@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49759BD6.2040303@kuwaitnet.net>
	<70ed7c3e0901200146v4cf86f6cr125aa7ca9b80dc73@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4975A252.4000000@kuwaitnet.net>

Majed B. wrote:
> Are you sure it's the G1?! Its functionality would be locked to T1
> only, why would they bring it here?! o_O
> 
> Samsung & Asus are coming up with Android phones soon...

Yes, a black T-Mobile G1 (which is actually OEM'd by HTC) I forgot the 
price they were offering it for, I was too busy playing with it. It 
still had the T-Mobile markings on it, but the OS itself was unbranded 
and SMOOTH. Amazingly smooth. The actual hardware was a bit too clunky 
for my taste. The keyboard had no Arabic on it, and it was very odd to 
type on the keyboard with the cluster of home/call/end/mouse keys on the 
right.



From bashar.abdullah at gmail.com  Tue Jan 20 13:06:31 2009
From: bashar.abdullah at gmail.com (bashar abdullah)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 13:06:31 +0300
Subject: [General] Linux Products At Alghanim
In-Reply-To: <70ed7c3e0901200157n68ec0e0bl2dfa3664bb15f855@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49759BD6.2040303@kuwaitnet.net>
	<70ed7c3e0901200146v4cf86f6cr125aa7ca9b80dc73@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <862afa530901200206p2d747f60o85af4ea47c219e17@mail.gmail.com>

Yeah I agree :)

On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 12:57 PM, Majed B. <majedb at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'd rather wait for an official phone that has Android rather than a
> hacked one from an American provider... those providers do weird stuff
> to their mobiles :/
> --
>        Majed B.
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From majedb at gmail.com  Tue Jan 20 13:14:35 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 13:14:35 +0300
Subject: [General] Linux Products At Alghanim
In-Reply-To: <862afa530901200206p2d747f60o85af4ea47c219e17@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49759BD6.2040303@kuwaitnet.net>
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	<862afa530901200151v371d4358y1a83af4fc9a081f5@mail.gmail.com>
	<70ed7c3e0901200157n68ec0e0bl2dfa3664bb15f855@mail.gmail.com>
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You know, I might just go and see how Android "feels"  ... There are
no decent phones anymore :(

Bloody Nokia had me hooked up to their communicator brand until I saw
the E90 .. I hated that thing, and I vowed to never buy from Nokia
anyway after the load of crap I have seen so far from their 9500.

Sony Xperia sounded & looked like a great phone, alas, a windows phone...
-- 
       Majed B.



From burhan at kuwaitnet.net  Tue Jan 20 13:18:52 2009
From: burhan at kuwaitnet.net (Burhan Khalid)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 13:18:52 +0300
Subject: [General] Linux Products At Alghanim
In-Reply-To: <70ed7c3e0901200214k15e8ae77ldfc705baa1a604e2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49759BD6.2040303@kuwaitnet.net>	<70ed7c3e0901200146v4cf86f6cr125aa7ca9b80dc73@mail.gmail.com>	<862afa530901200151v371d4358y1a83af4fc9a081f5@mail.gmail.com>	<70ed7c3e0901200157n68ec0e0bl2dfa3664bb15f855@mail.gmail.com>	<862afa530901200206p2d747f60o85af4ea47c219e17@mail.gmail.com>
	<70ed7c3e0901200214k15e8ae77ldfc705baa1a604e2@mail.gmail.com>
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Majed B. wrote:
> You know, I might just go and see how Android "feels"  ... There are
> no decent phones anymore :(
> 
> Bloody Nokia had me hooked up to their communicator brand until I saw
> the E90 .. I hated that thing, and I vowed to never buy from Nokia
> anyway after the load of crap I have seen so far from their 9500.
> 
> Sony Xperia sounded & looked like a great phone, alas, a windows phone...

Majed - the Sony Xperia is crap, feels cheap when you actually hold it. 
The best Nokia phone IMO is the E71 -- since it has a metal body 
(software issues aside).



From majedb at gmail.com  Tue Jan 20 13:29:24 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 13:29:24 +0300
Subject: [General] Linux Products At Alghanim
In-Reply-To: <4975A50C.8070504@kuwaitnet.net>
References: <49759BD6.2040303@kuwaitnet.net>
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Metal body?
Whenever I touch anything metal I get zapped. Wouldn't that put the
phone in danger? :p

The problem is that I'm used to a keyboard now, and I don't like PDAs
because of the stylus or worse: if they were touch. (I have an OCD
where I keep wiping the screen...)
-- 
       Majed B.



From burhan at kuwaitnet.net  Tue Jan 20 13:35:39 2009
From: burhan at kuwaitnet.net (Burhan Khalid)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 13:35:39 +0300
Subject: [General] Linux Products At Alghanim
In-Reply-To: <70ed7c3e0901200229n2bcc2702v7b8b6425bd745787@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49759BD6.2040303@kuwaitnet.net>	<70ed7c3e0901200146v4cf86f6cr125aa7ca9b80dc73@mail.gmail.com>	<862afa530901200151v371d4358y1a83af4fc9a081f5@mail.gmail.com>	<70ed7c3e0901200157n68ec0e0bl2dfa3664bb15f855@mail.gmail.com>	<862afa530901200206p2d747f60o85af4ea47c219e17@mail.gmail.com>	<70ed7c3e0901200214k15e8ae77ldfc705baa1a604e2@mail.gmail.com>	<4975A50C.8070504@kuwaitnet.net>
	<70ed7c3e0901200229n2bcc2702v7b8b6425bd745787@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4975A8FB.4090300@kuwaitnet.net>

Majed B. wrote:
> Metal body?
> Whenever I touch anything metal I get zapped. Wouldn't that put the
> phone in danger? :p

Uh, no :) Its got a solid metal frame, and a great keyboard. Go try it 
out as well while you are at Alghanim.

> The problem is that I'm used to a keyboard now, and I don't like PDAs
> because of the stylus or worse: if they were touch. (I have an OCD
> where I keep wiping the screen...)

I agree with you -- the stylus is silly and half the time you spend 
trying to keep your fingerprints off the screen.



From loolz_84 at hotmail.com  Wed Jan 21 19:40:20 2009
From: loolz_84 at hotmail.com (jacki al-jacki)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 19:40:20 +0300
Subject: [General] Need your help guys
Message-ID: <BAY128-W225A65FFA828EFF0756A79E6D10@phx.gbl>


Hello Guys shlonkom sh5barkom enshalla kel shay tmam :) 
My intrests are (cryptography, trusted operating systems, secure programming, open source 
and firewalling techniques, web Application security) and alot more
The story is : I'm going to graduate from high school this year and I want to study and work in this 
security field i think they call them security consultants.but the problem is that I don't know what I  should take in the university to be like 
that or this is stuff that is gained by certificates and stuff like that without the need of a degree 
in colleges or UNi . So can you  please tell me what should i take and where should i go and which field i 
should take  in the university is it computer science or somputer engineering or IT and if its IT is there a field in 
the IT specialized in the security ?
and any other tips you want to tell me about ? waiting for your reply guys and thanks for your precious time reading this message :)
Best Regards Ghaith KH.
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From sabah at techsys.net  Wed Jan 21 20:04:48 2009
From: sabah at techsys.net (Eng. Sabah Al-Sabah)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 20:04:48 +0300
Subject: [General] Need your help guys
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From kuwait at q8net.com  Wed Jan 21 20:10:22 2009
From: kuwait at q8net.com (kuwait at q8net.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 01:10:22 +0800 (SGT)
Subject: [General] Need your help guys
In-Reply-To: <BAY128-W225A65FFA828EFF0756A79E6D10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <659591.34484.qm@web76105.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>


"A house with no firm foundation shall collapse, even if it was topped with diamonds!"

Cryptography is plain math, algorithms and complicated matters. get to know the basic things about computers from code language (Assembly) to latest high level programming languages. get a Linux distro (google it) concerning security, read about it, implement it, play with it. get ahead start of known things on the net like TCP/IP for example. buy some Oreilly books concerning basic things, get some Cisco howto's or books.

I would say computer science would put you at the right path, IT is mainly management plus computer knowledge unless you strengthen a sub-major.

Allah yewafgek inshallah

BoRashed

--- On Wed, 1/21/09, jacki al-jacki <loolz_84 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> From: jacki al-jacki <loolz_84 at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [General] Need your help guys
> To: general at oskw.org
> Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 7:40 PM
> Hello Guys shlonkom sh5barkom enshalla kel shay tmam :) 
> My intrests are (cryptography, trusted operating systems,
> secure programming, open source 
> and firewalling techniques, web Application security) and
> alot more
> The story is : I'm going to graduate from high school
> this year and I want to study and work in this 
> security field i think they call them security
> consultants.but the problem is that I don't know what I 
> should take in the university to be like 
> that or this is stuff that is gained by certificates and
> stuff like that without the need of a degree 
> in colleges or UNi . So can you  please tell me what should
> i take and where should i go and which field i 
> should take  in the university is it computer science or
> somputer engineering or IT and if its IT is there a field in
> 
> the IT specialized in the security ?
> and any other tips you want to tell me about ? waiting for
> your reply guys and thanks for your precious time reading
> this message :)
> Best Regards Ghaith KH.
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From loolz_84 at hotmail.com  Wed Jan 21 20:58:54 2009
From: loolz_84 at hotmail.com (Matix A.)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 20:58:54 +0300
Subject: [General] Need your help guys
In-Reply-To: <497755B0.4050403@techsys.net>
References: <BAY128-W225A65FFA828EFF0756A79E6D10@phx.gbl>
	<497755B0.4050403@techsys.net>
Message-ID: <BAY128-W423BCF63634D5809D5932EE6D10@phx.gbl>


Thanks Eng. Sabah Al-Sabah for the advice and about the university , I saw the plan of the Minishtry of Higher Education for 2008 and one of the majors was "Internet computer security" in Australi, is this major under computer scinece or different ?!
Also thanks Borashed for these great tips and actually I?m working on them , lately I installed backtrack on my PDA as a portable usb destro and experimenting it.
ok so both of you are suggesting computer science as my base.
Thanks all best REgards Ghaith 
 
 
> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 01:10:22 +0800> From: kuwait at q8net.com> To: general at oskw.org> Subject: Re: [General] Need your help guys> > > "A house with no firm foundation shall collapse, even if it was topped with diamonds!"> > Cryptography is plain math, algorithms and complicated matters. get to know the basic things about computers from code language (Assembly) to latest high level programming languages. get a Linux distro (google it) concerning security, read about it, implement it, play with it. get ahead start of known things on the net like TCP/IP for example. buy some Oreilly books concerning basic things, get some Cisco howto's or books.> > I would say computer science would put you at the right path, IT is mainly management plus computer knowledge unless you strengthen a sub-major.> > Allah yewafgek inshallah> > BoRashed> 
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 20:04:48 +0300From: sabah at techsys.netTo: general at oskw.orgSubject: Re: [General] Need your help guysHello Gaith,The closest major for what you are looking for is Computer science.However, depending on the university, they may have some compulsory subjects and some electives.Your advisor will help you choose the suitable classes and subject in both compulsory and electives.If you need more help, it would be useful to know which university you plan to attend, so we can look at what they offer.Good luck.Best Regards,

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============================jacki al-jacki wrote: 


Hello Guys shlonkom sh5barkom enshalla kel shay tmam :) My intrests are (cryptography, trusted operating systems, secure programming, open source and firewalling techniques, web Application security) and alot moreThe story is : I'm going to graduate from high school this year and I want to study and work in this security field i think they call them security consultants.but the problem is that I don't know what I  should take in the university to be like that or this is stuff that is gained by certificates and stuff like that without the need of a degree in colleges or UNi . So can you  please tell me what should i take and where should i go and which field i should take  in the university is it computer science or somputer engineering or IT and if its IT is there a field in the IT specialized in the security ?and any other tips you want to tell me about ? waiting for your reply guys and thanks for your precious time reading this message :)Best Regards Ghaith KH.

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From majedb at gmail.com  Thu Jan 22 08:07:23 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 08:07:23 +0300
Subject: [General] Need your help guys
In-Reply-To: <BAY128-W423BCF63634D5809D5932EE6D10@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY128-W225A65FFA828EFF0756A79E6D10@phx.gbl>
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Message-ID: <70ed7c3e0901212107v315265f0o495173ca16dee2f2@mail.gmail.com>

Better late than sorry, so here's my 2 fils on the matter:

I know a security consultant who's a college drop out but holds many
certificates and writes white papers for security conferences and
attends black-hat meetings.

Apart from what the guys already suggested, visit this guy's website
and see which certificates he's got so far and see which fits your
needs:

http://www.mentallyinteresting.co.uk/~lucien/

You listed your interests as: cryptography, trusted operating systems,
secure programming, open source
and firewalling techniques, web Application security.

The thing is, even after getting your college degree and proper
certificates, your customer base is quite minimum in Kuwait. My guess
is that you'd be limited to banks and huge investment houses. Either
as an employee there, or a freelance consultant.

So I suggest you take some self-presentation courses to be able to
sell your skills to the future employers ;)

Best of wishes
--
      Majed B.



From ali_alkhaled at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 22 09:41:07 2009
From: ali_alkhaled at yahoo.com (A Alkhaled)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 22:41:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [General] Need your help guys
References: <BAY128-W225A65FFA828EFF0756A79E6D10@phx.gbl>
	<497755B0.4050403@techsys.net>
	<BAY128-W423BCF63634D5809D5932EE6D10@phx.gbl>
	<70ed7c3e0901212107v315265f0o495173ca16dee2f2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <181672.92150.qm@web36405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi there,, 

develop a tinkering skill in yourself and be a patient reader/learner.. diplomas & certification are not everything.. they might get you a job... but not the knowledge... 

emwaffag inshallah :) 

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</span>





________________________________
From: Majed B. <majedb at gmail.com>
To: General OpenSource Discussion <general at oskw.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 8:07:23 AM
Subject: Re: [General] Need your help guys

Better late than sorry, so here's my 2 fils on the matter:

I know a security consultant who's a college drop out but holds many
certificates and writes white papers for security conferences and
attends black-hat meetings.

Apart from what the guys already suggested, visit this guy's website
and see which certificates he's got so far and see which fits your
needs:

http://www.mentallyinteresting.co.uk/~lucien/

You listed your interests as: cryptography, trusted operating systems,
secure programming, open source
and firewalling techniques, web Application security.

The thing is, even after getting your college degree and proper
certificates, your customer base is quite minimum in Kuwait. My guess
is that you'd be limited to banks and huge investment houses. Either
as an employee there, or a freelance consultant.

So I suggest you take some self-presentation courses to be able to
sell your skills to the future employers ;)

Best of wishes
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From loolz_84 at hotmail.com  Thu Jan 22 12:28:53 2009
From: loolz_84 at hotmail.com (Matix A.)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 12:28:53 +0300
Subject: [General] Need your help guys
In-Reply-To: <181672.92150.qm@web36405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <BAY128-W225A65FFA828EFF0756A79E6D10@phx.gbl>
	<497755B0.4050403@techsys.net>
	<BAY128-W423BCF63634D5809D5932EE6D10@phx.gbl>
	<70ed7c3e0901212107v315265f0o495173ca16dee2f2@mail.gmail.com> 
	<181672.92150.qm@web36405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY128-W96D61E45EE40FA380A867E6CE0@phx.gbl>


Thanks Majed for that site I saw his resume this guy is Pro ,
and yes about the customer base I think it would be an issue , I think its because of the lack in the Security Awareness :S
 
Alkhaled thanks and yes certification are not going to give you the tru knowledge :)
 
Best Regards 
Ghaith ,
 



Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 22:41:07 -0800From: ali_alkhaled at yahoo.comTo: general at oskw.orgSubject: Re: [General] Need your help guys


Hi there,, develop a tinkering skill in yourself and be a patient reader/learner.. diplomas & certification are not everything.. they might get you a job... but not the knowledge... emwaffag inshallah :) 
 <span style="font-weight:bold;"></span>




From: Majed B. <majedb at gmail.com>To: General OpenSource Discussion <general at oskw.org>Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 8:07:23 AMSubject: Re: [General] Need your help guysBetter late than sorry, so here's my 2 fils on the matter:I know a security consultant who's a college drop out but holds manycertificates and writes white papers for security conferences andattends black-hat meetings.Apart from what the guys already suggested, visit this guy's websiteand see which certificates he's got so far and see which fits yourneeds:http://www.mentallyinteresting.co.uk/~lucien/You listed your interests as: cryptography, trusted operating systems,secure programming, open sourceand firewalling techniques, web Application security.The thing is, even after getting your college degree and propercertificates, your customer base is quite minimum in Kuwait. My guessis that you'd be limited to banks and huge investment houses. Eitheras an employee there, or a freelance consultant.So I suggest you take some self-presentation courses to be able tosell your skills to the future employers ;)Best of wishes--      Majed B._______________________________________________General mailing listGeneral at oskw.orghttp://mail.oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
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From majedb at gmail.com  Fri Jan 23 20:36:20 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 20:36:20 +0300
Subject: [General] Web development Courses
Message-ID: <70ed7c3e0901230936s41d1eb57k466d279416d0a361@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everyone!

Does anybody know any good place to get classes for HTML, CSS & Java
Web Development for fresh minds?

If you're going to suggest new horizon, please don't! Rather refer me
to a specific instructor.

Thanks in advance
-- 
       Majed B.



From loolz_84 at hotmail.com  Sat Jan 24 00:59:11 2009
From: loolz_84 at hotmail.com (Matix A.)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 00:59:11 +0300
Subject: [General] Web development Courses
In-Reply-To: <70ed7c3e0901230936s41d1eb57k466d279416d0a361@mail.gmail.com>
References: <70ed7c3e0901230936s41d1eb57k466d279416d0a361@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY128-W280D771D141E7D577C89BCE6CF0@phx.gbl>


Hi Majed 
 
I didn't attend courses but one day i needed basic knowleged to read a css file and edit it to
change site style so someone suggested for me the famous site w3schools  ,
he said that they have great interactive tutorials for begginers so I read them they were so useful to me :)
they also have many other web Development tutorials , of course I think that there are more to learn than 
what the site offers but it's useful if you need the basics and  to get a grasp on it.
http://www.w3schools.com
 
hope this help
 
Best Regards ,
Ghaith
> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 20:36:20 +0300> From: majedb at gmail.com> To: general at oskw.org> Subject: [General] Web development Courses> > Hello everyone!> > Does anybody know any good place to get classes for HTML, CSS & Java> Web Development for fresh minds?> > If you're going to suggest new horizon, please don't! Rather refer me> to a specific instructor.> > Thanks in advance> -- > Majed B.> > _______________________________________________> General mailing list> General at oskw.org> http://mail.oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
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From majedb at gmail.com  Sat Jan 24 04:36:06 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 04:36:06 +0300
Subject: [General] Web development Courses
In-Reply-To: <BAY128-W280D771D141E7D577C89BCE6CF0@phx.gbl>
References: <70ed7c3e0901230936s41d1eb57k466d279416d0a361@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY128-W280D771D141E7D577C89BCE6CF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <70ed7c3e0901231736g2f29254m2d6f32883e2b7fee@mail.gmail.com>

Bashar, well, there's only one person who asked me so I guess an
instructor is out of the question :/

Matix, it's w3schools.net and yeah that's a great resource for html &
css manuals & references, but the problem is the person who asked me
is asking for courses.

Thank you for your time :)
-- 
       Majed B.



From burhan at kuwaitnet.net  Sat Jan 24 14:20:17 2009
From: burhan at kuwaitnet.net (burhan at kuwaitnet.net)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 11:20:17 +0000
Subject: [General] Web development Courses
Message-ID: <mailman.0.1606338587.2922.general_oskw.org@oskw.org>

You are looking for tutoring or a more  classroom style?

Regards,
Burhan

Sent from my Nokia phone
-----Original Message-----
From: Majed B.
Sent:  23/01/2009 8:36:20 pm
Subject:  [General] Web development Courses

Hello everyone!

Does anybody know any good place to get classes for HTML, CSS & Java
Web Development for fresh minds?

If you're going to suggest new horizon, please don't! Rather refer me
to a specific instructor.

Thanks in advance
-- 
       Majed B.

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From majedb at gmail.com  Sat Jan 24 21:09:31 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 21:09:31 +0300
Subject: [General] Web development Courses
In-Reply-To: <497afa68.c401be0a.7835.57cbSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com>
References: <497afa68.c401be0a.7835.57cbSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <70ed7c3e0901241009j5c810da3ydd2f84cd4a97855d@mail.gmail.com>

Preferably a class but tutoring could work.
-- 
       Majed B.



From loolz_84 at hotmail.com  Sun Jan 25 09:34:45 2009
From: loolz_84 at hotmail.com (Matix A.)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 09:34:45 +0300
Subject: [General] Python 3.x or 2.x
Message-ID: <BAY128-W33BA439E3F7F452F568ACAE6CD0@phx.gbl>


Hi Guys 

Recently I decided to learn Python but the problem is that the incompatibly problem between the two python version and the fact that all existing Python books and video tutorials that i have are now out-of-date .

so is there problem to learn the old version and stay on it or there will be future consequences for this decision  ?

Thanks 
Matix 

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From burhan at kuwaitnet.net  Sun Jan 25 10:39:24 2009
From: burhan at kuwaitnet.net (Burhan Khalid)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 10:39:24 +0300
Subject: [General] Python 3.x or 2.x
In-Reply-To: <BAY128-W33BA439E3F7F452F568ACAE6CD0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY128-W33BA439E3F7F452F568ACAE6CD0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <497C172C.6080201@kuwaitnet.net>

Hello:

   Both branches of Python (2.6.x and 3.0) are production quality, 
however since most software is only compatible with the 2.x branch, I 
would suggest you start there. Do not buy any book that is talking about 
2.2.x as this is considered obsolete.

Regards,
--
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Matix A. wrote:
> Hi Guys
> 
> Recently I decided to learn Python but the problem is that the 
> incompatibly problem between the two python version and the fact that 
> all existing Python books and video tutorials that i have are now 
> out-of-date .
> 
> so is there problem to learn the old version and stay on it or there 
> will be future consequences for this decision  ?
> 
> Thanks
> Matix
> 
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From loolz_84 at hotmail.com  Sun Jan 25 12:43:04 2009
From: loolz_84 at hotmail.com (Matix A.)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 12:43:04 +0300
Subject: [General] Python 3.x or 2.x
In-Reply-To: <497C172C.6080201@kuwaitnet.net>
References: <BAY128-W33BA439E3F7F452F568ACAE6CD0@phx.gbl>
	<497C172C.6080201@kuwaitnet.net>
Message-ID: <BAY128-W2025FE0343723BD4372804E6CD0@phx.gbl>


Thanks Burhan

I think I'll go with the 2.6 version after reading this statement in the documentation :
(The major theme of Python 2.6 is preparing the migration path to
Python 3.0, a major redesign of the language.  Whenever possible,
Python 2.6 incorporates new features and syntax from 3.0 while
remaining compatible with existing code by not removing older features
or syntax.)

> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 10:39:24 +0300
> From: burhan at kuwaitnet.net
> To: general at oskw.org
> Subject: Re: [General] Python 3.x or 2.x
> 
> Hello:
> 
>    Both branches of Python (2.6.x and 3.0) are production quality, 
> however since most software is only compatible with the 2.x branch, I 
> would suggest you start there. Do not buy any book that is talking about 
> 2.2.x as this is considered obsolete.
> 
> Regards,
> --
> Burhan Khalid
> 
> Matix A. wrote:
> > Hi Guys
> > 
> > Recently I decided to learn Python but the problem is that the 
> > incompatibly problem between the two python version and the fact that 
> > all existing Python books and video tutorials that i have are now 
> > out-of-date .
> > 
> > so is there problem to learn the old version and stay on it or there 
> > will be future consequences for this decision  ?
> > 
> > Thanks
> > Matix
> > 
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From okhayat at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 25 14:09:40 2009
From: okhayat at yahoo.com (Ossama Khayat)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 03:09:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [General] Web development Courses
References: <70ed7c3e0901230936s41d1eb57k466d279416d0a361@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <424374.97553.qm@web110504.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I suggest you get an online course from companies that provide CBT or e-learning courses like learnkey.com or Amanda (can't remember/find the site).
You could also benefit from the websites that provide tutorials on this. Showmedo.com would be nice.

Just my 2c.

- Ossama



----- Original Message ----
From: Majed B. <majedb at gmail.com>
To: General OpenSource Discussion <general at oskw.org>
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 8:36:20 PM
Subject: [General] Web development Courses

Hello everyone!

Does anybody know any good place to get classes for HTML, CSS & Java
Web Development for fresh minds?

If you're going to suggest new horizon, please don't! Rather refer me
to a specific instructor.

Thanks in advance
-- 
       Majed B.

_______________________________________________
General mailing list
General at oskw.org
http://mail.oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org



      



From majedb at gmail.com  Sun Jan 25 14:10:57 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 14:10:57 +0300
Subject: [General] Web development Courses
In-Reply-To: <424374.97553.qm@web110504.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <70ed7c3e0901230936s41d1eb57k466d279416d0a361@mail.gmail.com>
	<424374.97553.qm@web110504.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <70ed7c3e0901250310o5f166221qf427f28a9305af9b@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Osama! I've been waiting for your comment :p

The problem is that the person who asked me said doesn't want online courses :/
-- 
       Majed B.



From okhayat at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 25 14:21:04 2009
From: okhayat at yahoo.com (Ossama Khayat)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 03:21:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [General] Web development Courses
References: <70ed7c3e0901230936s41d1eb57k466d279416d0a361@mail.gmail.com>
	<424374.97553.qm@web110504.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<70ed7c3e0901250310o5f166221qf427f28a9305af9b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200505.91317.qm@web110505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

;-) quite busy these days.

Believe me, what ever he's gonna learn in the class, especially regarding these topics, will not be as good as online training or even tutorials. I also don't think there are any more offerings related to these topics.
I used to teach CIW (www.ciwcertified.com) and they were good as a start. But I don't know if they are offered anymore. and still they don't teach you 10% if what you'd find online.



----- Original Message ----
From: Majed B. <majedb at gmail.com>
To: General OpenSource Discussion <general at oskw.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 2:10:57 PM
Subject: Re: [General] Web development Courses

Hey Osama! I've been waiting for your comment :p

The problem is that the person who asked me said doesn't want online courses :/
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From burhan at kuwaitnet.net  Sun Jan 25 14:27:35 2009
From: burhan at kuwaitnet.net (Burhan Khalid)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 14:27:35 +0300
Subject: [General] Web development Courses
In-Reply-To: <70ed7c3e0901250310o5f166221qf427f28a9305af9b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <70ed7c3e0901230936s41d1eb57k466d279416d0a361@mail.gmail.com>	<424374.97553.qm@web110504.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<70ed7c3e0901250310o5f166221qf427f28a9305af9b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <497C4CA7.4060102@kuwaitnet.net>

Majed B. wrote:
> Hey Osama! I've been waiting for your comment :p
> 
> The problem is that the person who asked me said doesn't want online courses :/

I did an informal survey of some of the training centers when trying to 
evaluate their coursework for web development. Almost all are crap. They 
don't follow any known standard (like say CIW) and just have their own 
way of doing things.

For your friend, to cover the basics, I would recommend the CIW track, 
then get online and go through the various sites. Start at w3c.org

--
Burhan Khalid



From majedb at gmail.com  Sun Jan 25 14:30:05 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 14:30:05 +0300
Subject: [General] Web development Courses
In-Reply-To: <497C4CA7.4060102@kuwaitnet.net>
References: <70ed7c3e0901230936s41d1eb57k466d279416d0a361@mail.gmail.com>
	<424374.97553.qm@web110504.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<70ed7c3e0901250310o5f166221qf427f28a9305af9b@mail.gmail.com>
	<497C4CA7.4060102@kuwaitnet.net>
Message-ID: <70ed7c3e0901250330l21760e34nde278ca62f2e9be5@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks guys for your input! Highly appreciated :D
-- 
       Majed B.



From bashar at kuwaitnet.net  Sun Jan 25 16:00:05 2009
From: bashar at kuwaitnet.net (Bashar Al-Abdulhadi)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 16:00:05 +0300
Subject: [General] Web development Courses
In-Reply-To: <70ed7c3e0901231736g2f29254m2d6f32883e2b7fee@mail.gmail.com>
References: <70ed7c3e0901230936s41d1eb57k466d279416d0a361@mail.gmail.com>	<BAY128-W280D771D141E7D577C89BCE6CF0@phx.gbl>
	<70ed7c3e0901231736g2f29254m2d6f32883e2b7fee@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <497C6255.9030704@kuwaitnet.net>

Majed B. wrote, On 01/24/2009 04:36 AM:

> Bashar, well, there's only one person who asked me so I guess an
> instructor is out of the question :/
>   
online courses bro :)
> Matix, it's w3schools.net and yeah that's a great resource for html &
> css manuals & references, but the problem is the person who asked me
> is asking for courses.
>
> Thank you for your time :)
>   
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From ali_alkhaled at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 26 09:30:11 2009
From: ali_alkhaled at yahoo.com (A Alkhaled)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 22:30:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [General] self-learning tips & techniques ...
Message-ID: <934777.74699.qm@web36406.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Salam to all

Would someone be able to thoroughly learn anything (or probably compete!) in the information technology domain without being a full-fledged self-learner, not just depending on courses that are in many cases a waste of time? 

any thoughts guys? 


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From majedb at gmail.com  Mon Jan 26 11:21:26 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 11:21:26 +0300
Subject: [General] self-learning tips & techniques ..
In-Reply-To: <934777.74699.qm@web36406.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <934777.74699.qm@web36406.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <70ed7c3e0901260021m1c4a24c0x811be07bb3da1cd1@mail.gmail.com>

Courses are mostly means of getting a certificate. You can study
almost any material from online resources for free.

Plus, online courses don't tell you what to do in case of problem or
disaster. You either search for problems online and see their
solutions, or you make the problems yourself and fix them.

Just my 2 fils.
-- 
       Majed B.



From bashar at kuwaitnet.net  Tue Jan 27 02:07:15 2009
From: bashar at kuwaitnet.net (Bashar Al-Abdulhadi)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 02:07:15 +0300
Subject: [General] Internet 2008 in numbers
Message-ID: <497E4223.30607@kuwaitnet.net>

some nice info: 
http://royal.pingdom.com/2009/01/22/internet-2008-in-numbers/


not sure how accurate is it though

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From bashar.abdullah at gmail.com  Tue Jan 27 02:28:50 2009
From: bashar.abdullah at gmail.com (bashar abdullah)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 02:28:50 +0300
Subject: [General] Internet 2008 in numbers
In-Reply-To: <497E4223.30607@kuwaitnet.net>
References: <497E4223.30607@kuwaitnet.net>
Message-ID: <862afa530901261528j6ecc57f2hc83ee0f0befbf379@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks... wow... 70% spam? and look at percentage of new sites in 2008...
Amazing that Facebook  as a community site has more than 3 times Flickr
which is photo site much older!

That was fun before sleep :)



On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 2:07 AM, Bashar Al-Abdulhadi
<bashar at kuwaitnet.net>wrote:

> some nice info:
> http://royal.pingdom.com/2009/01/22/internet-2008-in-numbers/
>
>
> not sure how accurate is it though
>
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From majedb at gmail.com  Tue Jan 27 03:14:08 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 03:14:08 +0300
Subject: [General] Internet 2008 in numbers
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Blame MS for spam...

I wonder if they're making money out of keeping holes!!!

On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 2:28 AM, bashar abdullah
<bashar.abdullah at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks... wow... 70% spam? and look at percentage of new sites in 2008...
> Amazing that Facebook  as a community site has more than 3 times Flickr
> which is photo site much older!
> That was fun before sleep :)
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 2:07 AM, Bashar Al-Abdulhadi <bashar at kuwaitnet.net>
> wrote:
>>
>> some nice info:
>> http://royal.pingdom.com/2009/01/22/internet-2008-in-numbers/
>>
>>
>> not sure how accurate is it though
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From abdulmajeed.alsabah at gmail.com  Tue Jan 27 08:33:22 2009
From: abdulmajeed.alsabah at gmail.com (Abdulmajeed Al-Sabah)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 08:33:22 +0300
Subject: [General] Internet 2008 in numbers
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what about web browsers? what are that statistics?


On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 2:07 AM, Bashar Al-Abdulhadi
<bashar at kuwaitnet.net>wrote:

> some nice info:
> http://royal.pingdom.com/2009/01/22/internet-2008-in-numbers/
>
>
> not sure how accurate is it though
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From bashar at kuwaitnet.net  Tue Jan 27 22:51:56 2009
From: bashar at kuwaitnet.net (Bashar Al-Abdulhadi)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 22:51:56 +0300
Subject: [General] Internet 2008 in numbers
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From abdulmajeed.alsabah at gmail.com  Wed Jan 28 11:20:08 2009
From: abdulmajeed.alsabah at gmail.com (Abdulmajeed Al-Sabah)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 11:20:08 +0300
Subject: [General] Internet 2008 in numbers
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Well, the stats are not listed under web browsers. I was just wondering what
are the numbers?
chrome, firefox, IEs, etc ...

On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 10:51 PM, Bashar Al-Abdulhadi
<bashar at kuwaitnet.net>wrote:

>  What about them Abdulmajeed ?
>
>
>
> Abdulmajeed Al-Sabah wrote, On 01/27/2009 08:33 AM:
>
> what about web browsers? what are that statistics?
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 2:07 AM, Bashar Al-Abdulhadi <bashar at kuwaitnet.net
> > wrote:
>
>> some nice info:
>> http://royal.pingdom.com/2009/01/22/internet-2008-in-numbers/
>>
>>
>> not sure how accurate is it though
>>
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From majedb at gmail.com  Wed Jan 28 11:26:42 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 11:26:42 +0300
Subject: [General] Internet 2008 in numbers
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Does it matter?

IE still dominant but had lost shares. Firefox gained. Chrome is
growing but very little to the rest.

Browser statistics are very tricky because whoever is gathering the
data will be collecting data related to their own site(s) only. For
example, if a hosting company has collected data for 1000 of its
hosted sites, that doesn't mean anything because the sites hosted
could have been made by front page which won't be friendly with
Firefox, which would force users to use IE.

If I remember correctly, the last stats I read were collected by such
a company for 125,000 sites that it hosts/manages. Still, 125,000
sites out of billions is nothing.
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