From bashar at kuwaitnet.net  Sun Apr 12 01:39:25 2009
From: bashar at kuwaitnet.net (Bashar Al-Abdulhadi)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 01:39:25 +0300
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From ahmad at koutbo6.com  Sun Apr 12 02:29:10 2009
From: ahmad at koutbo6.com (Ahmad Al-Ibrahim)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 02:29:10 +0300
Subject: [General]
 =?utf-8?b?2LXYr9mI2LEg2KPZiNio2YbYqtmIIDkuMDQg2KjZitiq?=
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In-Reply-To: <49E11C1D.1080406@kuwaitnet.net>
References: <49E11C1D.1080406@kuwaitnet.net>
Message-ID: <49E127C6.3040904@koutbo6.com>

I would rather have a fresh install to take advantage of the new
filesystem ext4 features and get the optimal performance.

Note: ext4 is not enabled by default, it has to be selected during
installation.

Regards,

Ahmad Al-Ibrahim

Bashar Al-Abdulhadi wrote:
> For those who did not knew about it yet
> 
> Arabic: http://itwadi.com/Ubuntu_9_04_Beta
> 
> English: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/beta
> 
> 
> upgraded a laptop last night and was smooth, will be testing in free
> time and report if any bugs :)
> 
> 
> share your ideas
> 
> 
> from terminal just hit 'sudo update-manager -d' and click Upgrade
> 
> 
> _**URGENT* *URGENT* *URGENT* *URGENT* *URGENT* *URGENT* *URGENT* *URGENT**_
> 
> _*ITS FOR BETA USE , NEVER USE IT FOR PRODUCTION YET*_
> 
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> -- 
> Bashar Al-Abdulhadi
> Chief Executive Officer
> http://www.KuwaitNET.net
> KuwaitNET, Your Trusted Digital Partner
> An ICANN Accredited Domain-Names Registrar
> 
> 
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From sabah at techsys.net  Sun Apr 12 09:35:29 2009
From: sabah at techsys.net (Eng. Sabah Al-Sabah)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 09:35:29 +0300
Subject: [General]
 =?utf-8?b?2LXYr9mI2LEg2KPZiNio2YbYqtmIIDkuMDQg2KjZitiq?=
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In-Reply-To: <49E11C1D.1080406@kuwaitnet.net>
References: <49E11C1D.1080406@kuwaitnet.net>
Message-ID: <49E18BB1.2030907@techsys.net>

I was waiting for the 23rd for the final release!
What was your previous version? 8.04 or 8.10 ?

-- 


Best Regards,

============================

Eng. Sabah Al-Sabah

General Manager

Technical Systems Est.

sabah at techsys.net

www.techsys.net

============================ 



Bashar Al-Abdulhadi wrote:
>
> For those who did not knew about it yet
>
> Arabic: http://itwadi.com/Ubuntu_9_04_Beta
>
> English: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/beta
>
>
> upgraded a laptop last night and was smooth, will be testing in free 
> time and report if any bugs :)
>
>
> share your ideas
>
>
> from terminal just hit 'sudo update-manager -d' and click Upgrade
>
>
> _**URGENT* *URGENT* *URGENT* *URGENT* *URGENT* *URGENT* *URGENT* 
> *URGENT**_
>
> _*ITS FOR BETA USE , NEVER USE IT FOR PRODUCTION YET*_
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> -- 
> Bashar Al-Abdulhadi
> Chief Executive Officer
> http://www.KuwaitNET.net
> KuwaitNET, Your Trusted Digital Partner
> An ICANN Accredited Domain-Names Registrar
>   
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From kuwait at q8net.com  Sun Apr 12 09:53:43 2009
From: kuwait at q8net.com (kuwait at q8net.com)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 14:53:43 +0800 (SGT)
Subject: [General]
 =?utf-8?b?2LXYr9mI2LEg2KPZiNio2YbYqtmIIDkuMDQg2KjZitiq?=
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Message-ID: <428776.78063.qm@web76112.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>


Same thing here, was going to download 8.10 ISO but saw the 23rd release date. going to try a LiveCD version if i find it.



--- On Sun, 4/12/09, Eng. Sabah Al-Sabah <sabah at techsys.net> wrote:

From: Eng. Sabah Al-Sabah <sabah at techsys.net>
Subject: Re: [General] ???? ?????? 9.04 ???? - Ubuntu 9.04 Beta Released
To: "General OpenSource Discussion" <general at oskw.org>
Date: Sunday, April 12, 2009, 9:35 AM




  
I was waiting for the 23rd for the final release!

What was your previous version? 8.04 or 8.10 ?



-- 


Best Regards,

============================

Eng. Sabah Al-Sabah

General Manager

Technical Systems Est.

sabah at techsys.net

www.techsys.net

============================ 





Bashar Al-Abdulhadi wrote:

  For those who did not
knew about it yet
  Arabic:
  http://itwadi.com/Ubuntu_9_04_Beta
  English:
  http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/beta
  

  
  upgraded a laptop
last
night and was smooth, will be testing in free time and report if any
bugs :)
  

  
  share your ideas
  

  
  from terminal just
hit
'sudo update-manager -d' and click Upgrade
  
  

  
  *URGENT*
*URGENT* *URGENT* *URGENT* *URGENT* *URGENT* *URGENT* *URGENT*
  ITS
FOR BETA USE , NEVER USE IT FOR PRODUCTION YET
  

  
  Best Regards,
  -- 
Bashar Al-Abdulhadi
Chief Executive Officer
http://www.KuwaitNET.net
KuwaitNET, Your Trusted Digital Partner
An ICANN Accredited Domain-Names Registrar
  
  

  

  
  
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From majedb at gmail.com  Sun Apr 12 10:23:50 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 10:23:50 +0300
Subject: [General]
	=?utf-8?b?2LXYr9mI2LEg2KPZiNio2YbYqtmIIDkuMDQg2KjZitiq?=
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In-Reply-To: <428776.78063.qm@web76112.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>
References: <428776.78063.qm@web76112.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <70ed7c3e0904120023g73014791j5f6b84fdf377a46d@mail.gmail.com>

There were problems with some applications with ext4 filesystem. The
reported problems were due to the application's dependency on how the
filesystem writes the changes.

The issue that came up with ext4 rendered all changes to be lost with
that specific application.

They may have fixed it, but I suggest you stick to ext3 for the time being.
-- 
       Majed B.



From ahmad at koutbo6.com  Sun Apr 12 10:27:24 2009
From: ahmad at koutbo6.com (Ahmad Al-Ibrahim)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 10:27:24 +0300
Subject: [General]
 =?iso-8859-1?q?=3F=3F=3F=3F_=3F=3F=3F=3F=3F=3F_9=2E04_?=
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In-Reply-To: <70ed7c3e0904120023g73014791j5f6b84fdf377a46d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <428776.78063.qm@web76112.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>
	<70ed7c3e0904120023g73014791j5f6b84fdf377a46d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49E197DC.9050305@koutbo6.com>

I believe that was fixed few months back. It was due to application
bugs, and not ext4 bug.

Majed B. wrote:
> There were problems with some applications with ext4 filesystem. The
> reported problems were due to the application's dependency on how the
> filesystem writes the changes.
> 
> The issue that came up with ext4 rendered all changes to be lost with
> that specific application.
> 
> They may have fixed it, but I suggest you stick to ext3 for the time being.



From bashar at kuwaitnet.net  Sun Apr 12 10:39:42 2009
From: bashar at kuwaitnet.net (Bashar Al-Abdulhadi)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 10:39:42 +0300
Subject: [General]
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In-Reply-To: <49E18BB1.2030907@techsys.net>
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From majedb at gmail.com  Sun Apr 12 11:00:57 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 11:00:57 +0300
Subject: [General] ???? ?????? 9.04 ???? - Ubuntu 9.04 Beta Released
In-Reply-To: <49E197DC.9050305@koutbo6.com>
References: <428776.78063.qm@web76112.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>
	<70ed7c3e0904120023g73014791j5f6b84fdf377a46d@mail.gmail.com> 
	<49E197DC.9050305@koutbo6.com>
Message-ID: <70ed7c3e0904120100p2fbe7cbbq50b4ac8b90b7b8cc@mail.gmail.com>

Here's Theodor Tso's statement on the issue:
https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/317781/comments/54

The thing is that ext3 has a window frame of 5 seconds after that it
synchronizes the buffer with the disk. On ext4 it seem to be more than
that which causes problems with applications (many of them) that don't
synchronize.

On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim <ahmad at koutbo6.com> wrote:
> I believe that was fixed few months back. It was due to application
> bugs, and not ext4 bug.
>
> Majed B. wrote:
>> There were problems with some applications with ext4 filesystem. The
>> reported problems were due to the application's dependency on how the
>> filesystem writes the changes.
>>
>> The issue that came up with ext4 rendered all changes to be lost with
>> that specific application.
>>
>> They may have fixed it, but I suggest you stick to ext3 for the time being.
>
> _______________________________________________
> General mailing list
> General at oskw.org
> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>



-- 
       Majed B.



From sabah at techsys.net  Sun Apr 12 13:08:36 2009
From: sabah at techsys.net (Eng. Sabah Al-Sabah)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 13:08:36 +0300
Subject: [General]
 =?utf-8?b?2LXYr9mI2LEg2KPZiNio2YbYqtmIIDkuMDQg2KjZitiq?=
 =?utf-8?q?=D8=A7_-_Ubuntu_9=2E04_Beta_Released?=
In-Reply-To: <49E19ABE.8090502@kuwaitnet.net>
References: <49E11C1D.1080406@kuwaitnet.net> <49E18BB1.2030907@techsys.net>
	<49E19ABE.8090502@kuwaitnet.net>
Message-ID: <49E1BDA4.1000301@techsys.net>

I am using 8.04, Do I have to upgrade to 8.10 first before going to 9.04?

-- 


Best Regards,

============================

Eng. Sabah Al-Sabah

General Manager

Technical Systems Est.

sabah at techsys.net

www.techsys.net

============================ 



Bashar Al-Abdulhadi wrote:
>
> it was 8.10 :)
>
>
>
> Eng. Sabah Al-Sabah wrote, On 04/12/2009 09:35 AM:
>
>> I was waiting for the 23rd for the final release!
>> What was your previous version? 8.04 or 8.10 ?
>>
>> -- 
>>
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> ============================
>>
>> Eng. Sabah Al-Sabah
>>
>> General Manager
>>
>> Technical Systems Est.
>>
>> sabah at techsys.net
>>
>> www.techsys.net
>>
>> ============================ 
>>   
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From majedb at gmail.com  Sun Apr 12 14:19:14 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 14:19:14 +0300
Subject: [General]
	=?utf-8?b?2LXYr9mI2LEg2KPZiNio2YbYqtmIIDkuMDQg2KjZitiq?=
	=?utf-8?q?=D8=A7_-_Ubuntu_9=2E04_Beta_Released?=
In-Reply-To: <49E1BDA4.1000301@techsys.net>
References: <49E11C1D.1080406@kuwaitnet.net> <49E18BB1.2030907@techsys.net> 
	<49E19ABE.8090502@kuwaitnet.net> <49E1BDA4.1000301@techsys.net>
Message-ID: <70ed7c3e0904120419q1de540fbmc012ca5121bce7cf@mail.gmail.com>

Your distro should be able to jump-upgrade to the latest.

Run Adept or the update manager and it should give you that option.

On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Eng. Sabah Al-Sabah <sabah at techsys.net> wrote:
> I am using 8.04, Do I have to upgrade to 8.10 first before going to 9.04?
-- 
       Majed B.



From majedb at gmail.com  Sun Apr 12 14:19:44 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 14:19:44 +0300
Subject: [General]
	=?utf-8?b?2LXYr9mI2LEg2KPZiNio2YbYqtmIIDkuMDQg2KjZitiq?=
	=?utf-8?q?=D8=A7_-_Ubuntu_9=2E04_Beta_Released?=
In-Reply-To: <70ed7c3e0904120419q1de540fbmc012ca5121bce7cf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49E11C1D.1080406@kuwaitnet.net> <49E18BB1.2030907@techsys.net> 
	<49E19ABE.8090502@kuwaitnet.net> <49E1BDA4.1000301@techsys.net> 
	<70ed7c3e0904120419q1de540fbmc012ca5121bce7cf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <70ed7c3e0904120419m7fc41c87o14df8416c358e0c3@mail.gmail.com>

Unless it's a beta... then you'd have to manually modify your sources files.

On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Majed B. <majedb at gmail.com> wrote:
> Your distro should be able to jump-upgrade to the latest.
>
> Run Adept or the update manager and it should give you that option.
>
> On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Eng. Sabah Al-Sabah <sabah at techsys.net> wrote:
>> I am using 8.04, Do I have to upgrade to 8.10 first before going to 9.04?
> --
> ? ? ? Majed B.
>



-- 
       Majed B.



From bashar at kuwaitnet.net  Sun Apr 12 16:24:09 2009
From: bashar at kuwaitnet.net (Bashar Al-Abdulhadi)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 16:24:09 +0300
Subject: [General] What If....You RAIDED 24 SSDs Together? - Geekologie
Message-ID: <49E1EB79.4010202@kuwaitnet.net>

http://www.geekologie.com/2009/03/what_ifyou_raided_24_ssds_toge.php


:~( thats TOO !@#?%?$#% fast :'( 

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From bigheart1 at gmail.com  Sun Apr 12 17:15:21 2009
From: bigheart1 at gmail.com (Bigheart1)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 17:15:21 +0300
Subject: [General] What If....You RAIDED 24 SSDs Together? - Geekologie
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3ajeeeeb



On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Bashar Al-Abdulhadi
<bashar at kuwaitnet.net>wrote:

> http://www.geekologie.com/2009/03/what_ifyou_raided_24_ssds_toge.php
>
>
> :~( thats TOO !@#?%?$#% fast :'(
>
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From bashar at kuwaitnet.net  Sun Apr 12 18:59:59 2009
From: bashar at kuwaitnet.net (Bashar Al-Abdulhadi)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 18:59:59 +0300
Subject: [General] Heard of Powerset ?
Message-ID: <49E20FFF.2060503@kuwaitnet.net>

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From majedb at gmail.com  Sun Apr 12 19:11:55 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 19:11:55 +0300
Subject: [General] Heard of Powerset ?
In-Reply-To: <49E20FFF.2060503@kuwaitnet.net>
References: <49E20FFF.2060503@kuwaitnet.net>
Message-ID: <70ed7c3e0904120911j4a764513nfa4b6636822e4290@mail.gmail.com>

I'd hate to control my PC via voice. What if someone I'm talking to
shouted: "RM -RF /" ?

-- 
       Majed B.



From bashar.abdullah at gmail.com  Sun Apr 12 19:43:48 2009
From: bashar.abdullah at gmail.com (bashar abdullah)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 19:43:48 +0300
Subject: [General] Heard of Powerset ?
In-Reply-To: <49E20FFF.2060503@kuwaitnet.net>
References: <49E20FFF.2060503@kuwaitnet.net>
Message-ID: <862afa530904120943n727fd843j6a739b188e3800e3@mail.gmail.com>

Yes I heard of it last week on Ruby on Rails podcast, but so far it's kinda
hard to tell how good they are from Wikipedia search only. I'm still trying
to find out how to conquer the world, not many good results. I cant do it
like this.

On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Bashar Al-Abdulhadi
<bashar at kuwaitnet.net>wrote:

>  http://vimeo.com/994819
>
>
>  more at powerset.com
>
>
>   About Powerset
>
> Powerset's goal is to change the way people interact with technology by
> enabling computers to understand our language. While this is a difficult
> challenge, we believe that now is the right time to begin the journey.
> Powerset is first applying its natural language processing to search, aiming
> to improve the way we find information by unlocking the meaning encoded in
> ordinary human language.
>
> Powerset's first product is a search and discovery experience for
> Wikipedia, launched in May 2008. Powerset's technology improves the entire
> search process. In the search box, you can express yourself in keywords,
> phrases, or simple questions. On the search results page, Powerset gives
> more accurate results, often answering questions directly, and aggregates
> information from across multiple articles. Finally, Powerset's technology
> follows you into enhanced Wikipedia articles, giving you a better way to
> quickly digest and navigate content.
>
> Based in San Francisco, Powerset was founded in 2005 and was funded by
> Foundation Capital, Founders Fund, Paperboy Ventures, and angel investors.
> On August 1, 2008, Powerset was acquired by Microsoft.
>
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From majedb at gmail.com  Sun Apr 12 19:56:54 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 19:56:54 +0300
Subject: [General] Heard of Powerset ?
In-Reply-To: <862afa530904120943n727fd843j6a739b188e3800e3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49E20FFF.2060503@kuwaitnet.net>
	<862afa530904120943n727fd843j6a739b188e3800e3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <70ed7c3e0904120956o444bbcadse69f343c391dcfdc@mail.gmail.com>

Bashar, I suggest you watch Pinky & The Brain for inspiring ideas.

-- 
       Majed B.



From bashar.abdullah at gmail.com  Sun Apr 12 20:09:54 2009
From: bashar.abdullah at gmail.com (bashar abdullah)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 20:09:54 +0300
Subject: [General] Heard of Powerset ?
In-Reply-To: <70ed7c3e0904120956o444bbcadse69f343c391dcfdc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49E20FFF.2060503@kuwaitnet.net>
	<862afa530904120943n727fd843j6a739b188e3800e3@mail.gmail.com>
	<70ed7c3e0904120956o444bbcadse69f343c391dcfdc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <862afa530904121009j302b0d9fhe7c9f6fc4131a805@mail.gmail.com>

LOL... :P yeah this was my first clue

On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Majed B. <majedb at gmail.com> wrote:

> Bashar, I suggest you watch Pinky & The Brain for inspiring ideas.
>
> --
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From kuwait at q8net.com  Sun Apr 12 20:48:09 2009
From: kuwait at q8net.com (kuwait at q8net.com)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 01:48:09 +0800 (SGT)
Subject: [General] What If....You RAIDED 24 SSDs Together? - Geekologie
Message-ID: <557641.75892.qm@web76111.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>

I have the intel 80GB SSD drive but MLC not SLC, but i tell you......its a totally new experience for your daily computing. when i first tried it, i managed to boot windows xp pro in less than 9 seconds.

According to my humble research, intel and samsung are the most trouble-free SSD drives in the market. oh by the way, i got my 80GB intel SSD drive for 110KD. 


--- On Sun, 4/12/09, Bashar Al-Abdulhadi <bashar at kuwaitnet.net> wrote:

From: Bashar Al-Abdulhadi <bashar at kuwaitnet.net>
Subject: [General] What If....You RAIDED 24 SSDs Together? - Geekologie
To: "Kuwait OpenSource Community" <general at oskw.org>
Date: Sunday, April 12, 2009, 4:24 PM

http://www.geekologie.com/2009/03/what_ifyou_raided_24_ssds_toge.php


:~( thats TOO !@#?%?$#% fast :'( 

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From majedb at gmail.com  Sun Apr 12 20:52:20 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 20:52:20 +0300
Subject: [General] What If....You RAIDED 24 SSDs Together? - Geekologie
In-Reply-To: <557641.75892.qm@web76111.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>
References: <557641.75892.qm@web76111.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <70ed7c3e0904121052k5b4ef84cqde5b8eeaa0da4dc0@mail.gmail.com>

90 KD!!!!!! OLLA!!

I saw a report in Intel's SSDs that said when the drive is almost
full, the performance plummets to the ground.
Have you experienced anything similar with it?

On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 8:48 PM,  <kuwait at q8net.com> wrote:
> I have the intel 80GB SSD drive but MLC not SLC, but i tell you......its a
> totally new experience for your daily computing. when i first tried it, i
> managed to boot windows xp pro in less than 9 seconds.
>
> According to my humble research, intel and samsung are the most trouble-free
> SSD drives in the market. oh by the way, i got my 80GB intel SSD drive for
> 110KD.
-- 
       Majed B.



From kuwait at q8net.com  Sun Apr 12 20:58:35 2009
From: kuwait at q8net.com (kuwait at q8net.com)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 01:58:35 +0800 (SGT)
Subject: [General] What If....You RAIDED 24 SSDs Together? - Geekologie
Message-ID: <793933.11154.qm@web76114.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>

its 110KD not 90KD :)

Drive has 18GB of data and running smooth, no problems at all. price is the only bad thing about SSDs, when it comes to new technology which can be a future lethal standard, i cannot resist testing. :)



--- On Sun, 4/12/09, Majed B. <majedb at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Majed B. <majedb at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [General] What If....You RAIDED 24 SSDs Together? - Geekologie
To: "General OpenSource Discussion" <general at oskw.org>
Date: Sunday, April 12, 2009, 8:52 PM

90 KD!!!!!! OLLA!!

I saw a report in Intel's SSDs that said when the drive is almost
full, the performance plummets to the ground.
Have you experienced anything similar with it?

On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 8:48 PM,? <kuwait at q8net.com> wrote:
> I have the intel 80GB SSD drive but MLC not SLC, but i tell you......its a
> totally new experience for your daily computing. when i first tried it, i
> managed to boot windows xp pro in less than 9 seconds.
>
> According to my humble research, intel and samsung are the most trouble-free
> SSD drives in the market. oh by the way, i got my 80GB intel SSD drive for
> 110KD.
-- 
? ? ???Majed B.

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From majedb at gmail.com  Sun Apr 12 21:03:27 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 21:03:27 +0300
Subject: [General] What If....You RAIDED 24 SSDs Together? - Geekologie
In-Reply-To: <793933.11154.qm@web76114.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>
References: <793933.11154.qm@web76114.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <70ed7c3e0904121103t1a64c413p4b86342489ff267c@mail.gmail.com>

If you could stuff it with data and then measure the performance, that
would be great!

Say, fill it up to 68GB (Since the actual size is 73.4GB, add a
filesystem and it's around 70GB).

No clue why I said 90 instead of 110...

On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 8:58 PM,  <kuwait at q8net.com> wrote:
> its 110KD not 90KD :)
>
> Drive has 18GB of data and running smooth, no problems at all. price is the
> only bad thing about SSDs, when it comes to new technology which can be a
> future lethal standard, i cannot resist testing. :)
-- 
       Majed B.



From bashar at kuwaitnet.net  Sun Apr 12 23:45:18 2009
From: bashar at kuwaitnet.net (Bashar Al-Abdulhadi)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 23:45:18 +0300
Subject: [General] Heard of Powerset ?
In-Reply-To: <70ed7c3e0904120911j4a764513nfa4b6636822e4290@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49E20FFF.2060503@kuwaitnet.net>
	<70ed7c3e0904120911j4a764513nfa4b6636822e4290@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49E252DE.80008@kuwaitnet.net>

what this has todo with Powerset ? :P


i actually purchased a product made/acquired by IBM back in late 2002 
and used it on my Thinkpad A31 it was SO hard and not helpful to work 
with and i dropped it eventually



Majed B. wrote, On 04/12/2009 07:11 PM:

> I'd hate to control my PC via voice. What if someone I'm talking to
> shouted: "RM -RF /" ?
>
>   
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From bashar at kuwaitnet.net  Sun Apr 12 23:48:36 2009
From: bashar at kuwaitnet.net (Bashar Al-Abdulhadi)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 23:48:36 +0300
Subject: [General] What If....You RAIDED 24 SSDs Together? - Geekologie
In-Reply-To: <557641.75892.qm@web76111.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>
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From bashar.abdullah at gmail.com  Mon Apr 13 00:20:08 2009
From: bashar.abdullah at gmail.com (bashar abdullah)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 00:20:08 +0300
Subject: [General] Heard of Powerset ?
In-Reply-To: <49E252DE.80008@kuwaitnet.net>
References: <49E20FFF.2060503@kuwaitnet.net>
	<70ed7c3e0904120911j4a764513nfa4b6636822e4290@mail.gmail.com>
	<49E252DE.80008@kuwaitnet.net>
Message-ID: <862afa530904121420q67ef70e3t2e5641a1c25c73aa@mail.gmail.com>

Just a correction, I heard of the site last year as I recall not last week
:)

On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 11:45 PM, Bashar Al-Abdulhadi
<bashar at kuwaitnet.net>wrote:

> what this has todo with Powerset ? :P
>
>
> i actually purchased a product made/acquired by IBM back in late 2002 and
> used it on my Thinkpad A31 it was SO hard and not helpful to work with and i
> dropped it eventually
>
>
>
> Majed B. wrote, On 04/12/2009 07:11 PM:
>
>
>  I'd hate to control my PC via voice. What if someone I'm talking to
>> shouted: "RM -RF /" ?
>>
>>
>>
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From bashar at kuwaitnet.net  Mon Apr 13 01:38:57 2009
From: bashar at kuwaitnet.net (Bashar Al-Abdulhadi)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 01:38:57 +0300
Subject: [General] 3D desktop into market
Message-ID: <49E26D81.6080507@kuwaitnet.net>

if you remember the old presentation of this desktop on tom.com, now its 
available to everyone :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqcmPJ-oVL0&feature=player_embedded

more info @ bumptop.com

unfortunately no linux or mac versions yet out but you can subscribe 
into the mailing list and choose Linux to know there is market for it.

/unless someone knows a linux version out there based on compiz or so ? ;)/



From bashar at kuwaitnet.net  Mon Apr 13 01:58:16 2009
From: bashar at kuwaitnet.net (Bashar Al-Abdulhadi)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 01:58:16 +0300
Subject: [General] 3D desktop into market
In-Reply-To: <49E26D81.6080507@kuwaitnet.net>
References: <49E26D81.6080507@kuwaitnet.net>
Message-ID: <49E27208.3070502@kuwaitnet.net>

Ted.com* that is

http://www.ted.com/talks/view/id/131



Bashar Al-Abdulhadi wrote, On 04/13/2009 01:38 AM:

> if you remember the old presentation of this desktop on tom.com, now 
> its available to everyone :)
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqcmPJ-oVL0&feature=player_embedded
>
> more info @ bumptop.com
>
> unfortunately no linux or mac versions yet out but you can subscribe 
> into the mailing list and choose Linux to know there is market for it.
>
> /unless someone knows a linux version out there based on compiz or so 
> ? ;)/
>
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From majedb at gmail.com  Mon Apr 13 04:29:21 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 04:29:21 +0300
Subject: [General] Heard of Powerset ?
In-Reply-To: <862afa530904121420q67ef70e3t2e5641a1c25c73aa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49E20FFF.2060503@kuwaitnet.net>
	<70ed7c3e0904120911j4a764513nfa4b6636822e4290@mail.gmail.com> 
	<49E252DE.80008@kuwaitnet.net>
	<862afa530904121420q67ef70e3t2e5641a1c25c73aa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <70ed7c3e0904121829m37c04e3clebf09d4b56d59130@mail.gmail.com>

As far as voice processing goes, the best program that I have ever
seen was called "Dragon Naturally Speaking" and this was in 1997 or
1998. It would write text for me, but not launch applications and
search.
-- 
       Majed B.



From majedb at gmail.com  Mon Apr 13 04:52:03 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 04:52:03 +0300
Subject: [General] 3D desktop into market
In-Reply-To: <49E27208.3070502@kuwaitnet.net>
References: <49E26D81.6080507@kuwaitnet.net> <49E27208.3070502@kuwaitnet.net>
Message-ID: <70ed7c3e0904121852uc33c013o6a745f33af225746@mail.gmail.com>

I haven't seen an innovative idea like that for quite some time!

I like the concept, and though may not like using the software itself,
but it looks good.

I'm wondering how it would perform on Windows, since on Linux it could
operate as a Desktop Manager by itself or run like a plugin as part of
Compiz-Fusion.

Thanks for sharing!

On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 1:58 AM, Bashar Al-Abdulhadi
<bashar at kuwaitnet.net> wrote:
> Ted.com* that is
>
> http://www.ted.com/talks/view/id/131
-- 
       Majed B.



From bashar.abdullah at gmail.com  Mon Apr 13 09:16:10 2009
From: bashar.abdullah at gmail.com (bashar abdullah)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 09:16:10 +0300
Subject: [General] 3D desktop into market
In-Reply-To: <49E26D81.6080507@kuwaitnet.net>
References: <49E26D81.6080507@kuwaitnet.net>
Message-ID: <862afa530904122316p30fc697axcff5c4c6b9604cb2@mail.gmail.com>

That is amazing

On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 1:38 AM, Bashar Al-Abdulhadi
<bashar at kuwaitnet.net>wrote:

> if you remember the old presentation of this desktop on tom.com, now its
> available to everyone :)
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqcmPJ-oVL0&feature=player_embedded
>
> more info @ bumptop.com
>
> unfortunately no linux or mac versions yet out but you can subscribe into
> the mailing list and choose Linux to know there is market for it.
>
> /unless someone knows a linux version out there based on compiz or so ? ;)/
>
> _______________________________________________
> General mailing list
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From majedb at gmail.com  Mon Apr 13 09:18:11 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 09:18:11 +0300
Subject: [General] 3D desktop into market
In-Reply-To: <862afa530904122316p30fc697axcff5c4c6b9604cb2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49E26D81.6080507@kuwaitnet.net>
	<862afa530904122316p30fc697axcff5c4c6b9604cb2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <70ed7c3e0904122318t2f1d6989p8737b2039344de90@mail.gmail.com>

I just toyed with it and got bored after 5 minutes...

I guess I'm not a GUI person.
-- 
       Majed B.



From burhan.khalid at gmail.com  Mon Apr 13 09:33:49 2009
From: burhan.khalid at gmail.com (Burhan Khalid)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 09:33:49 +0300
Subject: [General] What If....You RAIDED 24 SSDs Together? - Geekologie
In-Reply-To: <49E253A4.8090500@kuwaitnet.net>
References: <557641.75892.qm@web76111.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>
	<49E253A4.8090500@kuwaitnet.net>
Message-ID: <828fd6cc0904122333l42a810feyabbdc216a2b0ca86@mail.gmail.com>

For all you ever needed to know about SSDs, including the problem with
performance when its full, why they are so awesome, etc. etc. -- I
HIGHLY recommend you read this:
http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=3531

Will answer 99.999% (aka "5 nines") of your SSD questions.

On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Bashar Al-Abdulhadi
<bashar at kuwaitnet.net> wrote:
> i tried samsung 64GB SLC on the thinkpad X300, its a true new experience
> amazing something spinning and mashallah so fast to read/write
>
> i got a 64GB SLC via ebay for $380 i think to install it on my other laptop
> they say it really differ between the SLC and MLC as i read on
> notebookreview forum
>
>
>
> kuwait at q8net.com wrote, On 04/12/2009 08:48 PM:
>
> I have the intel 80GB SSD drive but MLC not SLC, but i tell you......its a
> totally new experience for your daily computing. when i first tried it, i
> managed to boot windows xp pro in less than 9 seconds.
>
> According to my humble research, intel and samsung are the most trouble-free
> SSD drives in the market. oh by the way, i got my 80GB intel SSD drive for
> 110KD.
>
>
> --- On Sun, 4/12/09, Bashar Al-Abdulhadi <bashar at kuwaitnet.net> wrote:
>
> From: Bashar Al-Abdulhadi <bashar at kuwaitnet.net>
> Subject: [General] What If....You RAIDED 24 SSDs Together? - Geekologie
> To: "Kuwait OpenSource Community" <general at oskw.org>
> Date: Sunday, April 12, 2009, 4:24 PM
>
> http://www.geekologie.com/2009/03/what_ifyou_raided_24_ssds_toge.php
>
>
> :~( thats TOO !@#?%?$#% fast :'(
>
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From bashar.abdullah at gmail.com  Mon Apr 13 18:57:48 2009
From: bashar.abdullah at gmail.com (bashar abdullah)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 18:57:48 +0300
Subject: [General] What If....You RAIDED 24 SSDs Together? - Geekologie
In-Reply-To: <49E1EB79.4010202@kuwaitnet.net>
References: <49E1EB79.4010202@kuwaitnet.net>
Message-ID: <862afa530904130857t415e9457j8f7d9789fbe72bbe@mail.gmail.com>

They were asking me what I want for my birthday. I usually just hate
birthdays and gifts, but I'll make an exception and let them regret they
asked!

Thanks for the tip ;)

2009/4/12 Bashar Al-Abdulhadi <bashar at kuwaitnet.net>

> http://www.geekologie.com/2009/03/what_ifyou_raided_24_ssds_toge.php
>
>
> :~( thats TOO !@#?%?$#% fast :'(
>
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From bashar at kuwaitnet.net  Tue Apr 14 09:11:25 2009
From: bashar at kuwaitnet.net (Bashar Al-Abdulhadi)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 09:11:25 +0300
Subject: [General] =?utf-8?b?2KzYsdmK2K/YqSDYp9mE2LHYp9mKIC0g2YXYrdmE2Yo=?=
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Message-ID: <49E4290D.3040307@kuwaitnet.net>

http://www.alraimedia.com/Alrai/Article.aspx?id=125192


ma sar cable, every now and then it get effected, weather, ships, fishes!

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From majedb at gmail.com  Tue Apr 14 09:35:50 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 09:35:50 +0300
Subject: [General]
	=?utf-8?b?2KzYsdmK2K/YqSDYp9mE2LHYp9mKIC0g2YXYrdmE2Yo=?=
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In-Reply-To: <49E4290D.3040307@kuwaitnet.net>
References: <49E4290D.3040307@kuwaitnet.net>
Message-ID: <70ed7c3e0904132335r75e7e854x90dc6cc85243d3fa@mail.gmail.com>

If those morons managing that bloody cable had buried it 6 meters
under the freakin sea-bed, this wouldn't have happened.

I still say it's deliberate!!!!

efff

2009/4/14 Bashar Al-Abdulhadi <bashar at kuwaitnet.net>:
> http://www.alraimedia.com/Alrai/Article.aspx?id=125192
-- 
       Majed B.



From sami_alali at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 14 10:12:15 2009
From: sami_alali at yahoo.com (Sami AlAli)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 00:12:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [General]
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It seems this FOG cable gets cut quite often. This is so strange.
We don't hear about other cables in other parts of the world getting cut that often!!!
?
Is that cut (and other previous ones) deliberate?
?
Just a thought
?
Sami AlAli


--- On Tue, 4/14/09, Bashar Al-Abdulhadi <bashar at kuwaitnet.net> wrote:

From: Bashar Al-Abdulhadi <bashar at kuwaitnet.net>
Subject: [General] ????? ????? - ?????? - ?????????: ?????? ???? ?? ????????? ????????? - - 14/04/2009
To: "Kuwait OpenSource Community" <general at oskw.org>
Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 10:11 AM

http://www.alraimedia.com/Alrai/Article.aspx?id=125192


ma sar cable, every now and then it get effected, weather, ships, fishes!

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From majedb at gmail.com  Tue Apr 14 10:42:54 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 10:42:54 +0300
Subject: [General] What If....You RAIDED 24 SSDs Together? - Geekologie
In-Reply-To: <862afa530904130857t415e9457j8f7d9789fbe72bbe@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49E1EB79.4010202@kuwaitnet.net>
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There was a problem a while back with Intel's X25-M SSD performance
degredation. They have finally admitted that and released a firmware
that fixes the problem AND boosts the write performance.

Source: http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/04/13/2332211&from=rss

Burhan,
That article was obscenely detailed! Thanks for sharing!
-- 
       Majed B.



From bashar.abdullah at gmail.com  Tue Apr 14 14:14:24 2009
From: bashar.abdullah at gmail.com (bashar abdullah)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 14:14:24 +0300
Subject: [General]
	=?windows-1256?b?zNHtz8kgx+HRx+0gLSDjzeHtx8ogLSDH4ePm?=
	=?windows-1256?b?x9Xhx8o6IMfk3tjH2iDj5t7KIN3tIMfhx8rVx+HHyiDmx+HF?=
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Exactly... this time they can blame the weather, which wasn't really at all
that bad. Ever heard about the earthquakes and  hurricanes outside? And if
it was the weather this time, what about all the other times?

I would hate to take the path of conspiracies, but it's hard to think of
anything else.

2009/4/14 Sami AlAli <sami_alali at yahoo.com>

> It seems this FOG cable gets cut quite often. This is so strange.
> We don't hear about other cables in other parts of the world getting cut
> that often!!!
>
> Is that cut (and other previous ones) deliberate?
>
> Just a thought
>
> Sami AlAli
>
>
> --- On *Tue, 4/14/09, Bashar Al-Abdulhadi <bashar at kuwaitnet.net>* wrote:
>
> From: Bashar Al-Abdulhadi <bashar at kuwaitnet.net>
> Subject: [General] ????? ????? - ?????? - ?????????: ?????? ???? ??
> ????????? ????????? - - 14/04/2009
> To: "Kuwait OpenSource Community" <general at oskw.org>
> Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 10:11 AM
>
> http://www.alraimedia.com/Alrai/Article.aspx?id=125192
>
>
> ma sar cable, every now and then it get effected, weather, ships, fishes!
>
>
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From burhan.khalid at gmail.com  Tue Apr 14 14:52:44 2009
From: burhan.khalid at gmail.com (Burhan Khalid)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 14:52:44 +0300
Subject: [General]
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Actually I think its because the cable is actually made of spaghetti
instead of fiber :/

2009/4/14 Sami AlAli <sami_alali at yahoo.com>:
> It seems this FOG cable gets cut quite often. This is so strange.
> We don't hear about other cables in other parts of the world getting cut
> that often!!!
>
> Is that cut (and other previous ones) deliberate?
>
> Just a thought
>
> Sami AlAli
>
> --- On Tue, 4/14/09, Bashar Al-Abdulhadi <bashar at kuwaitnet.net> wrote:
>
> From: Bashar Al-Abdulhadi <bashar at kuwaitnet.net>
> Subject: [General] ????? ????? - ?????? - ?????????: ?????? ???? ??
> ????????? ????????? - - 14/04/2009
> To: "Kuwait OpenSource Community" <general at oskw.org>
> Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 10:11 AM
>
> http://www.alraimedia.com/Alrai/Article.aspx?id=125192
>
>
> ma sar cable, every now and then it get effected, weather, ships, fishes!
>
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From majedb at gmail.com  Tue Apr 14 14:59:23 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 14:59:23 +0300
Subject: [General]
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References: <49E4290D.3040307@kuwaitnet.net>
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Do you think we should be looking for a guy called 3antar?

"??? ?? ??????? ??????? ???? ???? ?? ????? ??? ????" --
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umqRSZj1ddI

So far, it's going as planned!
-- 
       Majed B.

From bigheart1 at gmail.com  Tue Apr 14 15:06:32 2009
From: bigheart1 at gmail.com (Bigheart1)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:06:32 +0300
Subject: [General]
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References: <49E4290D.3040307@kuwaitnet.net>
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	<70ed7c3e0904140459s3e9d0ecbu9f288af6fe4bb9fa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6718a9dc0904140506n60fb8d10gebcf9119a144cae@mail.gmail.com>

if this gonna happen again and again i think its much better to go for
two-way satellite connection "but from non Arabian companies!", but what
about the weather

2009/4/14 Majed B. <majedb at gmail.com>

> Do you think we should be looking for a guy called 3antar?
>
> "??? ?? ??????? ??????? ???? ???? ?? ????? ??? ????" --
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umqRSZj1ddI
>
> So far, it's going as planned!
> --
>        Majed B.
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From bashar.abdullah at gmail.com  Tue Apr 14 15:41:12 2009
From: bashar.abdullah at gmail.com (bashar abdullah)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:41:12 +0300
Subject: [General]
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References: <49E4290D.3040307@kuwaitnet.net>
	<959729.48328.qm@web51005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> 
	<828fd6cc0904140452l1f2aa170r8f3c7aa3ebab3308@mail.gmail.com> 
	<70ed7c3e0904140459s3e9d0ecbu9f288af6fe4bb9fa@mail.gmail.com> 
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Message-ID: <862afa530904140541y4285c8f2ia8b8d2f096a1d7c2@mail.gmail.com>

if you're talking about house satellite connection, I heard it's so
sensitive to weather a guy got his affected by bird s#it. I laughed all
night at it, but next day my friend assured me, it's no joke! :)

2009/4/14 Bigheart1 <bigheart1 at gmail.com>

> if this gonna happen again and again i think its much better to go for
> two-way satellite connection "but from non Arabian companies!", but what
> about the weather
>
> 2009/4/14 Majed B. <majedb at gmail.com>
>
> Do you think we should be looking for a guy called 3antar?
>>
>> "??? ?? ??????? ??????? ???? ???? ?? ????? ??? ????" --
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umqRSZj1ddI
>>
>> So far, it's going as planned!
>> --
>>        Majed B.
>> _______________________________________________
>> General mailing list
>> General at oskw.org
>> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
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From bigheart1 at gmail.com  Tue Apr 14 16:10:32 2009
From: bigheart1 at gmail.com (Bigheart1)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 16:10:32 +0300
Subject: [General]
	=?windows-1256?b?zNHtz8kgx+HRx+0gLSDjzeHtx8ogLSDH4ePm?=
	=?windows-1256?b?x9Xhx8o6IMfk3tjH2iDj5t7KIN3tIMfhx8rVx+HHyiDmx+HF?=
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References: <49E4290D.3040307@kuwaitnet.net>
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	<70ed7c3e0904140459s3e9d0ecbu9f288af6fe4bb9fa@mail.gmail.com>
	<6718a9dc0904140506n60fb8d10gebcf9119a144cae@mail.gmail.com>
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how big the dish is!
by bird s#it thats so bad so you tell me we have to stick with these high
quality companies which always get disconnected by "unknown" reasons...:(

they must upgrade their selves to give more speed or lowering their
prices...but i guess this not in the mind if we still have a lines
cutting...

Does the other countries who has
Megalodon<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2JpZCcidIw>and
Whales <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grRuw1cE9LU> plus worst weather than
the gulf got cables cutting !? i don`t know but i think no!




2009/4/14 bashar abdullah <bashar.abdullah at gmail.com>

> if you're talking about house satellite connection, I heard it's so
> sensitive to weather a guy got his affected by bird s#it. I laughed all
> night at it, but next day my friend assured me, it's no joke! :)
>
> 2009/4/14 Bigheart1 <bigheart1 at gmail.com>
>
> if this gonna happen again and again i think its much better to go for
>> two-way satellite connection "but from non Arabian companies!", but what
>> about the weather
>>
>> 2009/4/14 Majed B. <majedb at gmail.com>
>>
>> Do you think we should be looking for a guy called 3antar?
>>>
>>> "??? ?? ??????? ??????? ???? ???? ?? ????? ??? ????" --
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umqRSZj1ddI
>>>
>>> So far, it's going as planned!
>>> --
>>>        Majed B.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> General mailing list
>>> General at oskw.org
>>> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> General mailing list
>> General at oskw.org
>> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>>
>>
>
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From bashar at kuwaitnet.net  Tue Apr 14 16:13:35 2009
From: bashar at kuwaitnet.net (Bashar Al-Abdulhadi)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 16:13:35 +0300
Subject: [General]
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From majedb at gmail.com  Tue Apr 14 19:19:05 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 19:19:05 +0300
Subject: [General]
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	<828fd6cc0904140452l1f2aa170r8f3c7aa3ebab3308@mail.gmail.com> 
	<70ed7c3e0904140459s3e9d0ecbu9f288af6fe4bb9fa@mail.gmail.com> 
	<6718a9dc0904140506n60fb8d10gebcf9119a144cae@mail.gmail.com> 
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The thing is that MOC doesn't allow companies to lay their own cables
outside the borders of Kuwait. They are forced to lease them from the
MOC at very high prices.

Another factor to pricey Internet is the population: We're about 3
million only here. For the ISP to make profit & cover up the cost of
its old equipment it has to provide the services at a high price. The
same if the ISP is to renew its equipment.

I tried shownet a few years back. Though it worked for me when it
rained or was windy, I hated their stupid proxy software (which is
mandatory). You can forget about p2p traffic passing through. The
2Mbit I had were good for HTTP & FTP... Hooray for ultra sonic speedy
download of E-mail attachments!!!

To my knowledge, we have 2 sources of Internet: UAE & KSA. The KSA
link isn't that good, but since the cuts, people have been preferring
it to UAE's.

Do you think they have something to do with that???

All I know is that it's surely deliberate!
-- 
       Majed B.



From sabah at techsys.net  Tue Apr 14 21:29:07 2009
From: sabah at techsys.net (Eng. Sabah Al-Sabah)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 21:29:07 +0300
Subject: [General] MENOG experience
Message-ID: <49E4D5F3.3080002@techsys.net>

Hello All,

I just returned from Bahrain, where I attended the RIPE NCC Regional 
Meeting/MENOG.
Thanks to Bashar Abdulhadi for informing us about such event!

It was informative and enjoyable.
They touched several subjects such as the new IP6, network security and 
DNS poisoning to name a few. see 
http://www.menog.net/meetings/menog4/index.php for more details.

Next meeting in Lebanon next October!

-- 


Best Regards,

============================

Eng. Sabah Al-Sabah

General Manager

Technical Systems Est.

sabah at techsys.net

www.techsys.net

============================ 




From okhayat at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 15 08:22:04 2009
From: okhayat at yahoo.com (Ossama Khayat)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 22:22:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [General] Internet News from Kuwait
Message-ID: <188901.66674.qm@web110516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

????? ??? ????? ???? ???? ??????? ?? ?????? ????? ??? ???????
http://www.aljareeda.com/aljarida/Article.aspx?id=106124

?????? ???????? ?????? ???????? ?? ?????? ?????? ????????
http://www.aljareeda.com/aljarida/Article.aspx?id=106059

P.S. The screenshot in the second article is from www.e.gov.kw!!


      
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From majedb at gmail.com  Wed Apr 15 09:09:55 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 09:09:55 +0300
Subject: [General] Android 1.5 SDK Highlights
Message-ID: <70ed7c3e0904142309l236d4fffxc5f197d883c9be2b@mail.gmail.com>

http://developer.android.com/sdk/preview/features.html

This is really exciting, as they address many of the issues that are
putting many people off Android, especially being able to select your
own text-encoding in the bowser.



From bashar.abdullah at gmail.com  Wed Apr 15 09:23:29 2009
From: bashar.abdullah at gmail.com (bashar abdullah)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 09:23:29 +0300
Subject: [General] Internet News from Kuwait
In-Reply-To: <188901.66674.qm@web110516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <188901.66674.qm@web110516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <862afa530904142323v20f1d04fsc572ee71fd098d88@mail.gmail.com>

both links didnt open for me!

2009/4/15 Ossama Khayat <okhayat at yahoo.com>

> ????? ??? ????? ???? ???? ??????? ?? ?????? ????? ??? ???????
> http://www.aljareeda.com/aljarida/Article.aspx?id=106124
>
> ?????? ???????? ?????? ???????? ?? ?????? ?????? ????????
> http://www.aljareeda.com/aljarida/Article.aspx?id=106059
>
> P.S. The screenshot in the second article is from www.e.gov.kw!!
>
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From majedb at gmail.com  Wed Apr 15 09:26:19 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 09:26:19 +0300
Subject: [General] Internet News from Kuwait
In-Reply-To: <862afa530904142323v20f1d04fsc572ee71fd098d88@mail.gmail.com>
References: <188901.66674.qm@web110516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> 
	<862afa530904142323v20f1d04fsc572ee71fd098d88@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <70ed7c3e0904142326m6f5ef229hf640d5a3fc955f3b@mail.gmail.com>

Same here. Been trying since 8 AM!

I even tried using the coral cache (nyud.net) but it didn't work.
Their websites are under DDoS?
-- 
       Majed B.



From okhayat at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 15 10:09:12 2009
From: okhayat at yahoo.com (Ossama Khayat)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 00:09:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [General] Internet News from Kuwait
In-Reply-To: <70ed7c3e0904142326m6f5ef229hf640d5a3fc955f3b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <188901.66674.qm@web110516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<862afa530904142323v20f1d04fsc572ee71fd098d88@mail.gmail.com>
	<70ed7c3e0904142326m6f5ef229hf640d5a3fc955f3b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <982061.96649.qm@web110508.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

It just opened for me ;-) Check your ISP



________________________________
From: Majed B. <majedb at gmail.com>
To: General OpenSource Discussion <general at oskw.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 9:26:19 AM
Subject: Re: [General] Internet News from Kuwait

Same here. Been trying since 8 AM!

I even tried using the coral cache (nyud.net) but it didn't work.
Their websites are under DDoS?
-- 
       Majed B.

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From majedb at gmail.com  Wed Apr 15 10:11:31 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 10:11:31 +0300
Subject: [General] Internet News from Kuwait
In-Reply-To: <982061.96649.qm@web110508.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <188901.66674.qm@web110516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> 
	<862afa530904142323v20f1d04fsc572ee71fd098d88@mail.gmail.com> 
	<70ed7c3e0904142326m6f5ef229hf640d5a3fc955f3b@mail.gmail.com> 
	<982061.96649.qm@web110508.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <70ed7c3e0904150011p3abd3786j246c204c11da5b87@mail.gmail.com>

QNet here... I'll try with a proxy later.
-- 
       Majed B.



From majedb at gmail.com  Wed Apr 15 10:13:47 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 10:13:47 +0300
Subject: [General] Internet News from Kuwait
In-Reply-To: <70ed7c3e0904150011p3abd3786j246c204c11da5b87@mail.gmail.com>
References: <188901.66674.qm@web110516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> 
	<862afa530904142323v20f1d04fsc572ee71fd098d88@mail.gmail.com> 
	<70ed7c3e0904142326m6f5ef229hf640d5a3fc955f3b@mail.gmail.com> 
	<982061.96649.qm@web110508.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<70ed7c3e0904150011p3abd3786j246c204c11da5b87@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <70ed7c3e0904150013w7bc7d3f2t40057119c590e4eb@mail.gmail.com>

It opened now, without a proxy... weird.

On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Majed B. <majedb at gmail.com> wrote:
> QNet here... I'll try with a proxy later.
> --
> ? ? ? Majed B.
>



-- 
       Majed B.



From bashar.abdullah at gmail.com  Wed Apr 15 11:21:56 2009
From: bashar.abdullah at gmail.com (bashar abdullah)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 11:21:56 +0300
Subject: [General] Internet News from Kuwait
In-Reply-To: <982061.96649.qm@web110508.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <188901.66674.qm@web110516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> 
	<862afa530904142323v20f1d04fsc572ee71fd098d88@mail.gmail.com> 
	<70ed7c3e0904142326m6f5ef229hf640d5a3fc955f3b@mail.gmail.com> 
	<982061.96649.qm@web110508.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <862afa530904150121l3b8bd6b8tfb3e74c045cd7801@mail.gmail.com>

Qnet just opened with me now

On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Ossama Khayat <okhayat at yahoo.com> wrote:

> It just opened for me ;-) Check your ISP
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Majed B. <majedb at gmail.com>
> *To:* General OpenSource Discussion <general at oskw.org>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 15, 2009 9:26:19 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [General] Internet News from Kuwait
>
> Same here. Been trying since 8 AM!
>
> I even tried using the coral cache (nyud.net) but it didn't work.
> Their websites are under DDoS?
> --
>       Majed B.
>
> _______________________________________________
> General mailing list
> General at oskw.org
> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
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From bashar.abdullah at gmail.com  Wed Apr 15 11:25:17 2009
From: bashar.abdullah at gmail.com (bashar abdullah)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 11:25:17 +0300
Subject: [General] Internet News from Kuwait
In-Reply-To: <862afa530904150121l3b8bd6b8tfb3e74c045cd7801@mail.gmail.com>
References: <188901.66674.qm@web110516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> 
	<862afa530904142323v20f1d04fsc572ee71fd098d88@mail.gmail.com> 
	<70ed7c3e0904142326m6f5ef229hf640d5a3fc955f3b@mail.gmail.com> 
	<982061.96649.qm@web110508.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<862afa530904150121l3b8bd6b8tfb3e74c045cd7801@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <862afa530904150125g285d266ct7b54283ae438c71a@mail.gmail.com>

OK questions for those with some further information:

1- How serious and truth is this Israeli company? Can we know the name of
the two ISPs?

2- The cable contract: Could this contract have been influenced by the
current continuous cable cuts? If so, can we tie the two incidents?



On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 11:21 AM, bashar abdullah <bashar.abdullah at gmail.com
> wrote:

> Qnet just opened with me now
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Ossama Khayat <okhayat at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> It just opened for me ;-) Check your ISP
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Majed B. <majedb at gmail.com>
>> *To:* General OpenSource Discussion <general at oskw.org>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 15, 2009 9:26:19 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [General] Internet News from Kuwait
>>
>> Same here. Been trying since 8 AM!
>>
>> I even tried using the coral cache (nyud.net) but it didn't work.
>> Their websites are under DDoS?
>> --
>>       Majed B.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> General mailing list
>> General at oskw.org
>> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> General mailing list
>> General at oskw.org
>> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
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From ali_alkhaled at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 15 11:34:43 2009
From: ali_alkhaled at yahoo.com (A Alkhaled)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 01:34:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [General] Internet News from Kuwait
In-Reply-To: <188901.66674.qm@web110516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <188901.66674.qm@web110516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <73659.42970.qm@web36401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Israeli company?

Do they mean CheckPoint? 

 <span style="font-weight:bold;">
</span>





________________________________
From: Ossama Khayat <okhayat at yahoo.com>
To: General OpenSource Discussion <general at oskw.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 8:22:04 AM
Subject: [General] Internet News from Kuwait


????? ??? ????? ???? ???? ??????? ?? ?????? ????? ??? ???????
http://www.aljareeda.com/aljarida/Article.aspx?id=106124

?????? ???????? ?????? ???????? ?? ?????? ?????? ????????
http://www.aljareeda.com/aljarida/Article.aspx?id=106059

P.S. The screenshot in the second article is from www.e.gov.kw!!


      
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From bashar at kuwaitnet.net  Wed Apr 15 12:13:50 2009
From: bashar at kuwaitnet.net (Bashar Al-Abdulhadi)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 12:13:50 +0300
Subject: [General] Android 1.5 SDK Highlights
In-Reply-To: <70ed7c3e0904142309l236d4fffxc5f197d883c9be2b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <70ed7c3e0904142309l236d4fffxc5f197d883c9be2b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49E5A54E.3040703@kuwaitnet.net>

no thanks i'll wait for Pre Palm running linux soon ;)


http://www.google.com/search?q=pre+palm and more on youtube !



Majed B. wrote, On 04/15/2009 09:09 AM:

> http://developer.android.com/sdk/preview/features.html
>
> This is really exciting, as they address many of the issues that are
> putting many people off Android, especially being able to select your
> own text-encoding in the bowser.
>
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From majedb at gmail.com  Wed Apr 15 12:22:10 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 12:22:10 +0300
Subject: [General] Internet News from Kuwait
In-Reply-To: <73659.42970.qm@web36401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <188901.66674.qm@web110516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> 
	<73659.42970.qm@web36401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <70ed7c3e0904150222t5ff5962cy3aedae9f964c2432@mail.gmail.com>

I don't see what's the big deal here other than using the israeli
hardware/software .. where is the privacy concerns?

Banks employ HTTPS protocol, so they can't cache that data.

Why doesn't the article mention the name of the israeli company?

Not mentioning the names of the ISPs is understandable (to avoid
having the public revolt against the ISP).
-- 
       Majed B.



From majedb at gmail.com  Wed Apr 15 12:23:34 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 12:23:34 +0300
Subject: [General] Android 1.5 SDK Highlights
In-Reply-To: <49E5A54E.3040703@kuwaitnet.net>
References: <70ed7c3e0904142309l236d4fffxc5f197d883c9be2b@mail.gmail.com> 
	<49E5A54E.3040703@kuwaitnet.net>
Message-ID: <70ed7c3e0904150223o82b36e0rab493329dd5047ad@mail.gmail.com>

Never was a Palm fan.

What about the applications, device capabilities, 3G support?
-- 
       Majed B.



From bashar.abdullah at gmail.com  Wed Apr 15 12:24:59 2009
From: bashar.abdullah at gmail.com (bashar abdullah)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 12:24:59 +0300
Subject: [General] Internet News from Kuwait
In-Reply-To: <70ed7c3e0904150222t5ff5962cy3aedae9f964c2432@mail.gmail.com>
References: <188901.66674.qm@web110516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> 
	<73659.42970.qm@web36401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<70ed7c3e0904150222t5ff5962cy3aedae9f964c2432@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <862afa530904150224l873988ve74d6eb1c4d9581c@mail.gmail.com>

I second you Majed... Why hide the names if it's true story? Isn't it the
job of News to disclose these infos rather than diwaniya talks only!

On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 12:22 PM, Majed B. <majedb at gmail.com> wrote:

> I don't see what's the big deal here other than using the israeli
> hardware/software .. where is the privacy concerns?
>
> Banks employ HTTPS protocol, so they can't cache that data.
>
> Why doesn't the article mention the name of the israeli company?
>
> Not mentioning the names of the ISPs is understandable (to avoid
> having the public revolt against the ISP).
> --
>       Majed B.
>
> _______________________________________________
> General mailing list
> General at oskw.org
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From bashar at kuwaitnet.net  Wed Apr 15 12:32:55 2009
From: bashar at kuwaitnet.net (Bashar Al-Abdulhadi)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 12:32:55 +0300
Subject: [General] Android 1.5 SDK Highlights
In-Reply-To: <70ed7c3e0904150223o82b36e0rab493329dd5047ad@mail.gmail.com>
References: <70ed7c3e0904142309l236d4fffxc5f197d883c9be2b@mail.gmail.com>
	<49E5A54E.3040703@kuwaitnet.net>
	<70ed7c3e0904150223o82b36e0rab493329dd5047ad@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49E5A9C7.4070106@kuwaitnet.net>

neither did i, but the feature it had amazed me i couldn't leave nokia E 
series to iPhone but seems palm pre will make me to move!


check their online presentation



Majed B. wrote, On 04/15/2009 12:23 PM:

> Never was a Palm fan.
>
> What about the applications, device capabilities, 3G support?
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From bashar at kuwaitnet.net  Wed Apr 15 12:33:37 2009
From: bashar at kuwaitnet.net (Bashar Al-Abdulhadi)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 12:33:37 +0300
Subject: [General] Internet News from Kuwait
In-Reply-To: <862afa530904150224l873988ve74d6eb1c4d9581c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <188901.66674.qm@web110516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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From majedb at gmail.com  Wed Apr 15 12:49:42 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 12:49:42 +0300
Subject: [General] Internet News from Kuwait
In-Reply-To: <49E5A9F1.3070705@kuwaitnet.net>
References: <188901.66674.qm@web110516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> 
	<73659.42970.qm@web36401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<70ed7c3e0904150222t5ff5962cy3aedae9f964c2432@mail.gmail.com> 
	<862afa530904150224l873988ve74d6eb1c4d9581c@mail.gmail.com> 
	<49E5A9F1.3070705@kuwaitnet.net>
Message-ID: <70ed7c3e0904150249n18d989adgda88d70324780794@mail.gmail.com>

It's the local distributer's fault for using banned products.

If the distributor was tricked, he can file a law suite against the merchant.

On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Bashar Al-Abdulhadi
<bashar at kuwaitnet.net> wrote:
> protecting the local distributer form going out of business ?
-- 
       Majed B.



From sabah at techsys.net  Mon Apr 20 08:50:41 2009
From: sabah at techsys.net (Eng. Sabah Al-Sabah)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 08:50:41 +0300
Subject: [General] Follow-up from MENOG4
In-Reply-To: <49EBF341.1080402@bbn.com>
References: <49EBF341.1080402@bbn.com>
Message-ID: <49EC0D31.10400@techsys.net>

Dear Richard,

Nice to hear from you!

I assume you are not referring to the Screen Saver bogus threat !! :)

Regarding the other case where the bandwidth was consumed by someone 
downloading my whole website content, I am not sure how to approach this 
problem!
I don't know if there is a way to instruct Apache to limit upload size 
per client IP?!!!
But frankly, I did not have time to investigate thoroughly yet. May be 
some one in the mailing list can help!
 
Regarding our Open source group, we started our mailing list on Dec 2006 
and slowly growing.
you are welcome to join. here are some links:

1) mailing lists http://mail.oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/ running mailman

2) forums http://oskw.org/forum running simple machines forum (Not active!!)

3) portal http://oskw.org running joomla


As you noticed I cc this email to the list so all member are aware of this.

Again, that was relay nice of you to get in touch and offer you help and 
support, I appreciate that!

Here is a picture of some of the members in one of the early meetings.
They have aged inconsiderably by now!!!:)




Thanks

-- 


Best Regards,

============================

Eng. Sabah Al-Sabah

General Manager

Technical Systems Est.

sabah at techsys.net

www.techsys.net

============================ 



Richard Barnes wrote:
> Hi Sabah,
>
> Now that we've had some time to recover from MENOG, I just wanted to 
> send you a short note to say that it was a pleasure to meet you.  Did 
> you ever figure out what was going on with the security issue you 
> mentioned to me over lunch?
>
> You mentioned that you're involved in the open-source community in 
> Kuwait, but that it could stand to grow.  Is there any way I can help 
> with that?  Maybe a mailing list I could join?  I'm a little bit 
> involved with the Linux users group in my area 
> (<http://www.novalug.com/>), which is pretty active; maybe we could 
> somehow connect the two groups?
>
> If there's any other way I can be helpful to you, please don't 
> hesitate to get in touch.
>
> Best,
> --Richard
>
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From okhayat at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 21 08:53:15 2009
From: okhayat at yahoo.com (Ossama Khayat)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 22:53:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [General] Oracle buys Sun!
Message-ID: <451774.49385.qm@web110503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

This is the most shocking news I've heard in years!

http://www.oracle.com/sun/index.html
http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2009/04/oracle-buys-sun-is-mysql-doome.html

- Ossama



      
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From bashar.abdullah at gmail.com  Tue Apr 21 09:54:43 2009
From: bashar.abdullah at gmail.com (bashar abdullah)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 09:54:43 +0300
Subject: [General] Oracle buys Sun!
In-Reply-To: <451774.49385.qm@web110503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <451774.49385.qm@web110503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <862afa530904202354i7c82b554tddaa0e970d2f78e7@mail.gmail.com>

Frankly, I heard a lot about this acquisition but didn't look into details,
I never believed Sun would sell out... but hey, they did!


On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 8:53 AM, Ossama Khayat <okhayat at yahoo.com> wrote:

> This is the most shocking news I've heard in years!
>
> http://www.oracle.com/sun/index.html
>
> http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2009/04/oracle-buys-sun-is-mysql-doome.html
>
> - Ossama
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> General mailing list
> General at oskw.org
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From ahmad at koutbo6.com  Tue Apr 21 11:31:42 2009
From: ahmad at koutbo6.com (Ahmad Al-Ibrahim)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 11:31:42 +0300
Subject: [General] Oracle buys Sun!
In-Reply-To: <451774.49385.qm@web110503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <451774.49385.qm@web110503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <49ED846E.4070602@koutbo6.com>

Mohammad Al-Marzouq predicted this 2 weeks ago in his blog,
http://twothirty.am/blog/2009/04/06/ibm_sun_buyout_theory/

I guess its time to jump to PostgreSQL :)

Ossama Khayat wrote:
> This is the most shocking news I've heard in years!
> 
> http://www.oracle.com/sun/index.html
> http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2009/04/oracle-buys-sun-is-mysql-doome.html
> 
> - Ossama
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> _______________________________________________
> General mailing list
> General at oskw.org
> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org



From majedb at gmail.com  Tue Apr 21 13:32:53 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 13:32:53 +0300
Subject: [General] Oracle buys Sun!
In-Reply-To: <49ED846E.4070602@koutbo6.com>
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Why jump to PostgreSQL because of the buy out?

If you have other reasons, then I'd understand but because of the
buy-out? That's ridiculous.

You should have shifted away from MySQL after its founder walked out
and forked his own version of MySQL ;)
-- 
       Majed B.



From ahmad at koutbo6.com  Tue Apr 21 15:50:24 2009
From: ahmad at koutbo6.com (Ahmad Al-Ibrahim)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:50:24 +0300
Subject: [General] Oracle buys Sun!
In-Reply-To: <70ed7c3e0904210332j572fa79cpd0115ef291941e25@mail.gmail.com>
References: <451774.49385.qm@web110503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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Majed,

Look at the big picture and you will know why.

MySQL is considered a big competitor and a threat to Oracle, and Oracle
will try to move customers from MySQL to their Oracle DB, since its a
higher price product.

What would make Oracle to continue developing an open source database
MySQL while it is competing with their Key product Oracle DB?

Oracle is worse than Sun when it comes to open source.

I've been looking for alternatives for awhile and I'm aware of the
available forks for MySQL, they're fragmented and some of them are on
early stages of development "alpha".

I'm keeping an eye on Drizzle which is an interesting fork of MySQL, its
not stable yet, still on development stages. Works well for scalable web
apps.

PostgreSQL is the only reliable option for now.

Majed B. wrote:
> Why jump to PostgreSQL because of the buy out?
> 
> If you have other reasons, then I'd understand but because of the
> buy-out? That's ridiculous.
> 
> You should have shifted away from MySQL after its founder walked out
> and forked his own version of MySQL ;)



From bashar.abdullah at gmail.com  Tue Apr 21 16:35:22 2009
From: bashar.abdullah at gmail.com (bashar abdullah)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 16:35:22 +0300
Subject: [General] Oracle buys Sun!
In-Reply-To: <49EDC110.8040107@koutbo6.com>
References: <451774.49385.qm@web110503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> 
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OK, I missed this critical part completely. MySQL! OMG. Oracle is definitely
not gonna push for it.



On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim <ahmad at koutbo6.com> wrote:

> Majed,
>
> Look at the big picture and you will know why.
>
> MySQL is considered a big competitor and a threat to Oracle, and Oracle
> will try to move customers from MySQL to their Oracle DB, since its a
> higher price product.
>
> What would make Oracle to continue developing an open source database
> MySQL while it is competing with their Key product Oracle DB?
>
> Oracle is worse than Sun when it comes to open source.
>
> I've been looking for alternatives for awhile and I'm aware of the
> available forks for MySQL, they're fragmented and some of them are on
> early stages of development "alpha".
>
> I'm keeping an eye on Drizzle which is an interesting fork of MySQL, its
> not stable yet, still on development stages. Works well for scalable web
> apps.
>
> PostgreSQL is the only reliable option for now.
>
> Majed B. wrote:
> > Why jump to PostgreSQL because of the buy out?
> >
> > If you have other reasons, then I'd understand but because of the
> > buy-out? That's ridiculous.
> >
> > You should have shifted away from MySQL after its founder walked out
> > and forked his own version of MySQL ;)
>
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From majedb at gmail.com  Tue Apr 21 17:57:28 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 17:57:28 +0300
Subject: [General] Oracle buys Sun!
In-Reply-To: <862afa530904210635k59fdf622rbbd2eee94e67572d@mail.gmail.com>
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Ummm, aren't you exaggerating a bit here? MySQL can't compete with
Oracle database. Each is intended to a different set of usage and
communities/businesses.

You can never see a shared-host webserver running an Oracle DB!!!
It's just not designed to work that way. MySQL is.

>From what I read from MANY /. articles, PostgreSQL is far superior
than MySQL, unfortunately web hosts rarely have Postgre...
-- 
       Majed B.



From burhan.khalid at gmail.com  Tue Apr 21 18:18:30 2009
From: burhan.khalid at gmail.com (Burhan Khalid)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 18:18:30 +0300
Subject: [General] Oracle buys Sun!
In-Reply-To: <70ed7c3e0904210757t6dc29edap709e14136fb541a0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <451774.49385.qm@web110503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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You are right about a few things:

1. MySQL can't compete with Oracle database. Correct, if you are
talking about the Oracle 10g Database Server. That is NOT what MySQL
was designed to do in the first place; so its apple and oranges.
However, Sun does OWN MySQL, which means now Oracle owns it. Oracle
has their own free database server; so I don't think anyway you look
at it, it will be good for MySQL.

2. You can never see a shared-host webserver running an Oracle DB. Its
just not designed to work that way.
Really not sure what you are referring to here. Oracle DB will work on
any server. I don't know what 'shared hosting' has to do with
anything. Its a database server, it doesn't care about shared hosting.
If you are referring to the fact that companies like 'cpanel' and
'Plesk' don't offer point-click interfaces to manage Oracle -- that's
a completely different thing.

3. From what I read from MANY /. articles, PostgreSQL is far superior
than MySQL, unfortunately web hosts rarely have Postgre..

"Superior" is not the right word here, and /. should be called
'soapbox' because that's what people do on there. MySQL was designed
specifically for the web. Which means it "ignored" a few things (like
some ANSI SQL standards) and didn't have lots of features people were
used to (views, sps) until a few iterations. It also doesn't provide
specialized "vertical" apps (like geo databases).

Postgres from the start was designed as a complete database server,
proper and true. Which is why it has lots of features that many
enterprise databases have, and has had them for years before MySQL
added them. It is also why EnterpriseDB, the commercially-supported
version of postgres -- is a drop-in replacement for Oracle.

Regarding webhosts rarely having Postgres -- its a two (maybe three)
click process to enable it -- Bashar can confirm this; so its just for
lack of demand, not lack of administration.

Regards,
--
Burhan

On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Majed B. <majedb at gmail.com> wrote:
> Ummm, aren't you exaggerating a bit here? MySQL can't compete with
> Oracle database. Each is intended to a different set of usage and
> communities/businesses.
>
> You can never see a shared-host webserver running an Oracle DB!!!
> It's just not designed to work that way. MySQL is.
>
> >From what I read from MANY /. articles, PostgreSQL is far superior
> than MySQL, unfortunately web hosts rarely have Postgre...
> --
> ? ? ? Majed B.
>
> _______________________________________________
> General mailing list
> General at oskw.org
> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>



From burhan.khalid at gmail.com  Tue Apr 21 18:20:14 2009
From: burhan.khalid at gmail.com (Burhan Khalid)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 18:20:14 +0300
Subject: [General]
	=?utf-8?b?2LXYr9mI2LEg2KPZiNio2YbYqtmIIDkuMDQg2KjZitiq?=
	=?utf-8?q?=D8=A7_-_Ubuntu_9=2E04_Beta_Released?=
In-Reply-To: <49E127C6.3040904@koutbo6.com>
References: <49E11C1D.1080406@kuwaitnet.net> <49E127C6.3040904@koutbo6.com>
Message-ID: <828fd6cc0904210820v796fac89nb9b095001099906a@mail.gmail.com>

I don't see anything worth upgrading for; especially since it has the
same depressing color scheme. Ubuntu has hit a wall.

On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 2:29 AM, Ahmad Al-Ibrahim <ahmad at koutbo6.com> wrote:
> I would rather have a fresh install to take advantage of the new
> filesystem ext4 features and get the optimal performance.
>
> Note: ext4 is not enabled by default, it has to be selected during
> installation.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ahmad Al-Ibrahim
>
> Bashar Al-Abdulhadi wrote:
>> For those who did not knew about it yet
>>
>> Arabic: http://itwadi.com/Ubuntu_9_04_Beta
>>
>> English: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/beta
>>
>>
>> upgraded a laptop last night and was smooth, will be testing in free
>> time and report if any bugs :)
>>
>>
>> share your ideas
>>
>>
>> from terminal just hit 'sudo update-manager -d' and click Upgrade
>>
>>
>> _**URGENT* *URGENT* *URGENT* *URGENT* *URGENT* *URGENT* *URGENT* *URGENT**_
>>
>> _*ITS FOR BETA USE , NEVER USE IT FOR PRODUCTION YET*_
>>
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> --
>> Bashar Al-Abdulhadi
>> Chief Executive Officer
>> http://www.KuwaitNET.net
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From majedb at gmail.com  Tue Apr 21 18:34:44 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 18:34:44 +0300
Subject: [General] Oracle buys Sun!
In-Reply-To: <828fd6cc0904210818h7da6e1e6t35337896af9f9377@mail.gmail.com>
References: <451774.49385.qm@web110503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> 
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	<70ed7c3e0904210332j572fa79cpd0115ef291941e25@mail.gmail.com> 
	<49EDC110.8040107@koutbo6.com>
	<862afa530904210635k59fdf622rbbd2eee94e67572d@mail.gmail.com> 
	<70ed7c3e0904210757t6dc29edap709e14136fb541a0@mail.gmail.com> 
	<828fd6cc0904210818h7da6e1e6t35337896af9f9377@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <70ed7c3e0904210834t2712aecayff4e3739649fe291@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Burhan!

I didn't know there was a free version of Oracle DB. Are its features
as "rich" as MySQL's? Because if they're not, there's no point in
using Oracle's.

Also from what I've seen from Oracle DBs, is that they're memory hogs
and don't play well with low memory setups (think tiny development
box, Virtual Private Servers or virtualized systems [Linode]).

I agree with you on the demand issue of postgres; but the problem goes
further than just user demand, because now web applications are being
built for MySQL by default (wordpress) and you'd have to wait for a
long time to get a decent port to another DB.

So, maybe now that Oracle owns MySQL, web hosts will start offering
Postgres. And maybe not.
-- 
       Majed B.



From majedb at gmail.com  Tue Apr 21 18:35:37 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 18:35:37 +0300
Subject: [General]
	=?utf-8?b?2LXYr9mI2LEg2KPZiNio2YbYqtmIIDkuMDQg2KjZitiq?=
	=?utf-8?q?=D8=A7_-_Ubuntu_9=2E04_Beta_Released?=
In-Reply-To: <828fd6cc0904210820v796fac89nb9b095001099906a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49E11C1D.1080406@kuwaitnet.net> <49E127C6.3040904@koutbo6.com> 
	<828fd6cc0904210820v796fac89nb9b095001099906a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <70ed7c3e0904210835he76d3a7hb0dd96d0ce940700@mail.gmail.com>

They've implemented a feature a friend of mine suggested a year or two
back: peer-to-peer upgrades.

I was quite impressed that they did that.
-- 
       Majed B.



From sami_alali at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 21 21:08:12 2009
From: sami_alali at yahoo.com (Sami AlAli)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 11:08:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [General] Oracle buys Sun!
In-Reply-To: <828fd6cc0904210818h7da6e1e6t35337896af9f9377@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <248976.46835.qm@web51003.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Burhan you're absolutely right about Postgres.

For people here who have a few gray hairs, you will remember that Postgres is actually the successor of the old database engine INGRES.
Ingres in its time (mid-late 80's) was a superior database engine. It was the first database engine that would tune itself up. It was years ahead of all others at the time like Oracle, Sybase, DB2, and Informix. With Oracle at the time, you had to export the whole database and re-import it again to make sure that all indexes are re-created and tables are optimized. I personally used to do this every 2-3 months.
Due to bad marketing and God knows what, Ingres went bankrupt and its code became public (I'm not sure who bought it or how it became public under GPL or GPL equivalent). That code was further developed and became Postgres.
So the comment made earlier about Postgres being designed from the beginning to be a FULL FLEDGED database engine is quite correct.

Have a nice evening all of you

Sami AlAli

--- On Tue, 4/21/09, Burhan Khalid <burhan.khalid at gmail.com> wrote:
From: Burhan Khalid <burhan.khalid at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [General] Oracle buys Sun!
To: "General OpenSource Discussion" <general at oskw.org>
Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 7:18 PM

You are right about a few things:

1. MySQL can't compete with Oracle database. Correct, if you are
talking about the Oracle 10g Database Server. That is NOT what MySQL
was designed to do in the first place; so its apple and oranges.
However, Sun does OWN MySQL, which means now Oracle owns it. Oracle
has their own free database server; so I don't think anyway you look
at it, it will be good for MySQL.

2. You can never see a shared-host webserver running an Oracle DB. Its
just not designed to work that way.
Really not sure what you are referring to here. Oracle DB will work on
any server. I don't know what 'shared hosting' has to do with
anything. Its a database server, it doesn't care about shared hosting.
If you are referring to the fact that companies like 'cpanel' and
'Plesk' don't offer point-click interfaces to manage Oracle --
that's
a completely different thing.

3. From what I read from MANY /. articles, PostgreSQL is far superior
than MySQL, unfortunately web hosts rarely have Postgre..

"Superior" is not the right word here, and /. should be called
'soapbox' because that's what people do on there. MySQL was
designed
specifically for the web. Which means it "ignored" a few things (like
some ANSI SQL standards) and didn't have lots of features people were
used to (views, sps) until a few iterations. It also doesn't provide
specialized "vertical" apps (like geo databases).

Postgres from the start was designed as a complete database server,
proper and true. Which is why it has lots of features that many
enterprise databases have, and has had them for years before MySQL
added them. It is also why EnterpriseDB, the commercially-supported
version of postgres -- is a drop-in replacement for Oracle.

Regarding webhosts rarely having Postgres -- its a two (maybe three)
click process to enable it -- Bashar can confirm this; so its just for
lack of demand, not lack of administration.

Regards,
--
Burhan

On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Majed B. <majedb at gmail.com> wrote:
> Ummm, aren't you exaggerating a bit here? MySQL can't compete with
> Oracle database. Each is intended to a different set of usage and
> communities/businesses.
>
> You can never see a shared-host webserver running an Oracle DB!!!
> It's just not designed to work that way. MySQL is.
>
> >From what I read from MANY /. articles, PostgreSQL is far superior
> than MySQL, unfortunately web hosts rarely have Postgre...
> --
> ? ? ? Majed B.
>
> _______________________________________________
> General mailing list
> General at oskw.org
> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>

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From burhan.khalid at gmail.com  Wed Apr 22 10:05:32 2009
From: burhan.khalid at gmail.com (Burhan Khalid)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 10:05:32 +0300
Subject: [General] Oracle buys Sun!
In-Reply-To: <70ed7c3e0904210834t2712aecayff4e3739649fe291@mail.gmail.com>
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Hey Majed:

  The free version of Oracle DB is called Oracle Database Express
Edition. You can think of it as equivalent to MSSQL Server Express
Edition, in that it is a limited version of the flagship product.
However, Oracle XE is free to distribute, which gives it some edge.

  As far as features go, it has a few limitations, mainly to prevent
people from using it as a replacement of the stupid-expensive Oracle
DB Server:

  ? Supports up to 4GB of user data (in addition to Oracle system data)
  ? Single instance only of Oracle Database XE on any server
  ? May be installed on a multiple CPU server, but only executes on
one processor in any server
  ? May be installed on a server with any amount of memory, but will
only use up to 1GB RAM of available memory

  Other than the above, there are no limitations on the feature set of
the product. Anything that you can do on 10g, you can do on XE
provided the deployment conditions above are met.  For 99% of
applications that are using MySQL, the above restrictions are not an
issue, in fact, I think that Oracle aimed XE squarely at web
developers because almost all the documentation revolves around PHP
and ASP.NET. The server supports all APIs PL/SQL, ODBC, C++ etc.

  Regarding the memory hog issue; this is true for the full-blown
enterprise versions of Oracle -- the same can be said for any
enterprise database server (MSSQL, DB2, etc.) They are designed for
scaling quickly, but I must admit that Oracle is a bit daunting to
install. In a previous life I used to support Oracle on Linux. A lot
of hair has been lost thanks to that.

  Lets not start digging the grave for MySQL just yet -- it will be at
least a year, maybe even two, before Oracle decides what to do with
MySQL (if anything). Their main reason for purchasing Sun would have
been the hardware side of the business. Tweaking Oracle to run on
Sun's servers -- especially now that Sun has some good offerings on
Intel would be the prime motivation. In the grand scheme of things,
MySQL is a very small drop in the bucket when compared to the other
considerable assets that Oracle has acquired from Sun.

  Postgres suffers a bit from the success of MySQL. MySQL has spoiled
a lot of developers into thinking that they "know" SQL just because
their convoluted JOINS work in MySQL-SQL. It also has a different
philosophy and learning curve; so the migration process will be a
challenge for all but the most seasoned developers. I'm surprised no
one mentioned giants like Facebook, BT, etc. which are using MySQL in
very large production scenarios -- what will Oracle approach them
with?

  We certainly live in interesting times =)

Regards,
--
Burhan

On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 6:34 PM, Majed B. <majedb at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey Burhan!
>
> I didn't know there was a free version of Oracle DB. Are its features
> as "rich" as MySQL's? Because if they're not, there's no point in
> using Oracle's.
>
> Also from what I've seen from Oracle DBs, is that they're memory hogs
> and don't play well with low memory setups (think tiny development
> box, Virtual Private Servers or virtualized systems [Linode]).
>
> I agree with you on the demand issue of postgres; but the problem goes
> further than just user demand, because now web applications are being
> built for MySQL by default (wordpress) and you'd have to wait for a
> long time to get a decent port to another DB.
>
> So, maybe now that Oracle owns MySQL, web hosts will start offering
> Postgres. And maybe not.
> --
> ? ? ? Majed B.
>
> _______________________________________________
> General mailing list
> General at oskw.org
> http://oskw.org/mailman/listinfo/general_oskw.org
>



From majedb at gmail.com  Wed Apr 22 14:36:34 2009
From: majedb at gmail.com (Majed B.)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 14:36:34 +0300
Subject: [General] 5TB 2U SSD @ 25 Watts
Message-ID: <70ed7c3e0904220436v5681fa96t56c9bf1c6f6797bd@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/04/22/tms_5tb_ssd/



From bashar.abdullah at gmail.com  Wed Apr 22 15:16:50 2009
From: bashar.abdullah at gmail.com (bashar abdullah)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 15:16:50 +0300
Subject: [General] 5TB 2U SSD @ 25 Watts
In-Reply-To: <70ed7c3e0904220436v5681fa96t56c9bf1c6f6797bd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <70ed7c3e0904220436v5681fa96t56c9bf1c6f6797bd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <862afa530904220516v2cd6e0a1o1dbb270a7b49778@mail.gmail.com>

Wish Santa Claus was true. He'd have tough delivery time this year.


On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Majed B. <majedb at gmail.com> wrote:

> http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/04/22/tms_5tb_ssd/
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From burhan.khalid at gmail.com  Wed Apr 22 17:54:26 2009
From: burhan.khalid at gmail.com (Burhan Khalid)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:54:26 +0300
Subject: [General] Linux CLI Tip for Thunderbird
Message-ID: <828fd6cc0904220754l3cbe5df4ke215c6235f929e7e@mail.gmail.com>

If, for some reason your Thunderbird message index becomes corrupt, or
you are simply trying to view message archives on a machine where
Thunderbird is not available (for example, over a headless
connection), then you can use mutt to read the Thunderbird mail store.

The command is:

mutt -R -f Inbox (for the Inbox, obviously). I tried this on a hefty
inbox (1.5GB) and it worked splendidly.

-R = "Read Only"
-f = forces reading of a file instead of a mail directory

Found this useful so thought I would pass it along.

Regards,
--
Burhan



From bashar at kuwaitnet.net  Fri Apr 24 05:10:16 2009
From: bashar at kuwaitnet.net (Bashar Al-Abdulhadi)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 05:10:16 +0300
Subject: [General] Oracle buys Sun!
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From bashar at kuwaitnet.net  Fri Apr 24 06:46:28 2009
From: bashar at kuwaitnet.net (Bashar Al-Abdulhadi)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 06:46:28 +0300
Subject: [General] [Fwd:[ISOC] 2009 Jonathan B. Postel Award - Call for
	Nominations]
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From bashar at kuwaitnet.net  Fri Apr 24 18:46:24 2009
From: bashar at kuwaitnet.net (Bashar Al-Abdulhadi)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 18:46:24 +0300
Subject: [General]
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9.04 is live, upgraded one of my 64bit machines and worked just fine
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From burhan.khalid at gmail.com  Sun Apr 26 12:52:40 2009
From: burhan.khalid at gmail.com (Burhan Khalid)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 12:52:40 +0300
Subject: [General] Android 1.5 SDK Highlights
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Apps: all written in Javascript + HTML. So, no real "SDK" to speak of.
Of course this could also mean that there is a sandbox for developers,
but who knows.

3G: Not in the initial release, since it will be strictly EVDO. But,
GSM model has been seen floating about on the Internet.

Device capabilities: Its got pretty much what you would expect from a
modern device. Keyboard, touch screen, multi-touch (capacitive),
Linux-based OS. Plus, native Flash support from Adobe. What it doesn't
have is expandability. It does have some cool stuff, like wireless
charging.

2009/4/15 Majed B. <majedb at gmail.com>:
> Never was a Palm fan.
>
> What about the applications, device capabilities, 3G support?
> --
> ? ? ? Majed B.
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From sleetq8 at hotmail.com  Mon Apr 27 17:48:01 2009
From: sleetq8 at hotmail.com (JaBeR MoH.)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 14:48:01 +0000
Subject: [General] just for fun if you have free time
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hi everyone,
if you have free time watch this videos 
Play All Videos

from Youtube and it about Mac Advertise.



-Jaber Alazmi 
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Windows Live? Hotmail?:?more than just e-mail.
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From bashar at kuwaitnet.net  Wed Apr 29 12:53:39 2009
From: bashar at kuwaitnet.net (Bashar Al-Abdulhadi)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 12:53:39 +0300
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what a shocking news for the arab world

http://www.aitnews.com/news/10655.html




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